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The Cybertruck Appears to Be More Deadly Than the Infamous Ford Pinto, According to a New Analysis

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  • T [email protected]

    It will take Leon 20 minutes to shut down the whole agency claiming that they actually eat babies and people will just go with it.

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    I don't know why you keep saying intentionally inflammatory things that don't take into account the full list of factors and facts we have about how the real world works, but you do you, I guess.

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    • umbrella@lemmy.mlU [email protected]

      the maga crowd has diesel truck attache to their very masculinity, thats never happening.

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      The MAGA crowd mostly needs to give their truck gender-affirming care by giving them truck nuts.

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        I don't know why you keep saying intentionally inflammatory things that don't take into account the full list of factors and facts we have about how the real world works, but you do you, I guess.

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        Because the way the world worked changed a few months ago. Trump is immune and has pardon powers.

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          I would be surprised for a lot of reasons. The main one being, they'd have to be dirt cheap and have an exceptional warranty agreement attached in order to compete with other automakers who make bulletproof vehicles. And, further there's too many other problems with the amount of information they collect that the DHS would not have full and direct control over. Tesla's are well known for recording anything and everything. We learned when they blew one up outside that Trump Hotel that they can be remotely locked by Tesla the company. A private company should not have that kind of direct access to government vehicles or any kind.

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          You mean that dog killer lady and Nazi weirdo care about competition and data security?

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          • notsoshaihulud@lemmy.worldN [email protected]

            No. Incidence is a measure of probability of events over time (or with cars alternatively over miles). If the number of events is low (and 4 is low), your confidence intervals are extremely wide (which is the statistical way to say, we have no idea what the real number may be).
            The comparison is striking, the pinto had 27 fires over 9 years in >3M vehicles.
            https://fuelarc.com/evs/its-official-the-cybertruck-is-more-explosive-than-the-ford-pinto/

            Let's add that idiots buy cybertrucks who disproportionately think it's bulletproof...

            Again, "analyses" like this make great clickbait but contribute very little to our understanding, and that will remain the case even regardless of you getting angry at me about it or not.

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            And the answer is"What is the Poisson Distribution" Alex.

            There is literally a distribution that describes the occurences of low probability events in large populations. It was developed to study deaths by horse kick in the Prussian army. So confidence intervals never come into it. You're applying Stats for Communications Majors reasoning to an adult problem.

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            • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

              ...and unlike the Pinto, because we are so deep into fucked-reality-ville, it won't get recalled.

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              Nah, he will just get more government grants to "fix" it. (Aren't they up to like 30% grants at this point?)

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              • __nobodynowhere@sh.itjust.works_ [email protected]

                Lots of cars had this same design in the 70s, with the fuel tank low in the rear, right behind the rear differential.

                Jeep Grand Cherokees were this way between 1993 and 2004 and Jeep Libertys were this way between 2002 and 2007.

                But then again they are jeeps.

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                I love my Jeep. Why make it unbreakable, when you can make it easy to fix!

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                  Do they have emergency releases on the outside? I know a locked door of a car with traditional latching mechanisms won't open. But an unlocked vehicle where a bystander cannot render aid in an emergency seems so.... Short sighted.

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                    Do they have emergency releases on the outside? I know a locked door of a car with traditional latching mechanisms won't open. But an unlocked vehicle where a bystander cannot render aid in an emergency seems so.... Short sighted.

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                    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O2fUhCCuTto

                    Not in the outside, but the rear releases are hidden in the door well under a vanity mat

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                    • drbob@lemmy.caD [email protected]

                      And the answer is"What is the Poisson Distribution" Alex.

                      There is literally a distribution that describes the occurences of low probability events in large populations. It was developed to study deaths by horse kick in the Prussian army. So confidence intervals never come into it. You're applying Stats for Communications Majors reasoning to an adult problem.

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                      Well, the problem is, even if I take the single case where this one guy exploded himself with his truck and compare it to the Pinto data, the poisson distribution difference will probably be statistically significant, yet the measure would be absolutely useless from a real-world perspective, because it has nothing to do with the vehicle's design.

                      I'd also argue that many of these events might not even be entirely occurring independently from each other when people do all sorts of stupid shit with these rolling garbage cans like shooting at them, submerging them, etc. in a meme-like fashion for Tiktok views. So 4 events might very well be influenced by non-design/human-based factors, which applied to other cars could generate similar results, and if the analysis were serious, they would have reviewed how these whopping 4 events happened.

                      And I know the more condescending the responses the better, but seriously, you should understand these things as a stats teacher.

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                        You just literally said (interpretive paraphrasing),
                        "I like big butts and I cannot lie"

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                        They're just paraphrasing Chaucer

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                        • Z [email protected]

                          A rocket is not fundamentally new and hasn’t been for almost 100 years.

                          Rockets perform correctly when they deliver their payload to the correct orbit.

                          You can calculate the energy density of fuels, the efficiency of your engines at various atmospheric pressures, and determine the payload size you can deliver with your engines and fuel. Blowing up rockets for “tests” is so 1950s. We have whole college programs on rocket design. We have desktop computers more powerful than anything available in the 1960s, and NASA managed to design the Saturn V, a rocket of similar size to starship, with the computers of the time and fucking slide rules. The Saturn V had its problem, but each rocket managed to deliver its payload and perform its part of the mission without blowing up.

                          Your comment is classic tech bro. No understanding of real engineering principles and only a desire to shove some shit out of the door as fast as possible.

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                          There are two American rocket projects in the works that can carry a significant payload to the moon. One is using existing parts in a new configuration. It had one successful launch and cost $4B ($2.5B in launch costs alone). One is building a largely new system and improving existing elements and is estimated to have cost less than $2B so far, although it hasn't reached the moon yet. That said, they have done 7 tests, at least 3 with a full configuration. How is that not better than the other option?

                          Also, you are acting like there are no fundamental advances happening in space engineering. Sure, the physics is pretty well-known, but the engineering problem of landing and reusing stages/rockets commercially has only been done since the Falcon series, so I think it's safe to assume the technology and associated product lines is still maturing.

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                            Do they have emergency releases on the outside? I know a locked door of a car with traditional latching mechanisms won't open. But an unlocked vehicle where a bystander cannot render aid in an emergency seems so.... Short sighted.

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                            It is on purposes. He wants a cyberpunk fantasy car. You know what you can do in many cyberpunk games? Blow up cars with the slightest of ease. They're made of explodium in some games, and in Cyberpunk 2077 there is a quickhack (like a magic spell, but cyberpunk) that can cause the car to literally explode.

                            Can you imagine for one second if someone managed to find a way to consistently connect to Tesla vehicles AND found a way to cause the battery to overheat and burn? The door autolock will cause the passengers to be trapped and be burned alive.

                            I don't think this is an accident. No one can be that stupid to make something like that by accident.

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                              I would be surprised for a lot of reasons. The main one being, they'd have to be dirt cheap and have an exceptional warranty agreement attached in order to compete with other automakers who make bulletproof vehicles. And, further there's too many other problems with the amount of information they collect that the DHS would not have full and direct control over. Tesla's are well known for recording anything and everything. We learned when they blew one up outside that Trump Hotel that they can be remotely locked by Tesla the company. A private company should not have that kind of direct access to government vehicles or any kind.

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                              I think that really underestimates how corruption would work. Tesla might make a show of a "government edition" software loadout, whether because they had to or even as theater to pretend they catered to government requirements when in actuality it's largely the same but maybe with some branding.

                              In terms of pricing, I'm sure that any actually "bulletproof" vehicles cost plenty. Which is why even departments like the DHS have largely unarmored fleets. Tesla wouldn't meet those standards, but the marketing might be sufficient to serve as a bullet point over the current non-armored vehicles they use.

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                              • S [email protected]

                                Let me simplify it for you... Musk has been targeting agencies that stood in the way of SpaceX. Did you hear he started targeting OSHA this week because of the spotlight on Musk's intentional dismissal of safety regulations? Or that he is also targeting the consumer protection agency? Everything that protects regular citizens is being shut down as "wasteful", and his only criteria is anything that costs him money or prevents him from exploiting workers.

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                                Don't forget the revelation that USAID was looking into Starlink in a critical way...

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                                  I was driving out of a parking lot yesterday just as a Cybertruck started to pull in off the street from the left. The driver was white-knuckling the wheel and was frantically looking around as I assume he could barely see out of the goddamn thing as he swung so wide he nearly clipped my car. He needed almost the entire driveway to make his turn.

                                  I cannot imagine dropping so much money on something so useless and so hideous.

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                                    I believe 4 of the Cybertruck fatalities were from a single crash. While the truck may indeed be dangerous, there is hardly enough data yet to draw conclusions.

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                                      Cybertruck will have 14.52 fatalities per 100,000 units — far eclipsing the Pinto’s 0.85.

                                      Holy shit, that means the Cybertruck fatality rate is around 17 times higher than the Pinto's!

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                                      Do you realize how fucking insane that is? From 1921 to 1951 the rate of auto deaths dropped by around 50%, and from 1921 to 2011 the rate dropped by 90%. This is not just due to regulations on cars and pedestrian travel, but also in very large part due to crash safety in cars that steadily improved. With crash safety becoming a science, and crash test dummies being invented, and crumple zones, and air bags and seatbelts and the laws thereof.

                                      Musk, asshole motherfucker that he is, is trying to destroy all of that.

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                                        Safety belts are a waste of precious money!

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                                        Safe at any speed!

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                                          A rocket is not fundamentally new and hasn’t been for almost 100 years.

                                          Rockets perform correctly when they deliver their payload to the correct orbit.

                                          You can calculate the energy density of fuels, the efficiency of your engines at various atmospheric pressures, and determine the payload size you can deliver with your engines and fuel. Blowing up rockets for “tests” is so 1950s. We have whole college programs on rocket design. We have desktop computers more powerful than anything available in the 1960s, and NASA managed to design the Saturn V, a rocket of similar size to starship, with the computers of the time and fucking slide rules. The Saturn V had its problem, but each rocket managed to deliver its payload and perform its part of the mission without blowing up.

                                          Your comment is classic tech bro. No understanding of real engineering principles and only a desire to shove some shit out of the door as fast as possible.

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                                          You are 100% correct about modeling being more advanced. It proves just how stupid Musk is. Musk at one point asked for the code that twitter uses to be printed on paper... on fucking paper! Like what the hell is this? The 1970s? I wrote code in the 90s and I never heard of anyone printing out raw code before him.

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