Gmail alternative: good idea to use personal domain+hosting?
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I know there are alternatives like proton mail, tutamail, mailbox.org, etc... But what would be the issue if I create an email using my personal domain, stored in my hosting.. maybe encryption? It seems that no-one even consider this option, but I am not sure why...
What would you suggest?
Lots of people consider it and choose not to due to the complexity involved. One of many reasons to hate email.
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I didn’t go with tuta or proton because they require a 3rd party plugin and part of my use case is playing https://triplea-game.org/
Does Proton bridge work? I know nothing about that game.
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Depends on your use case. I went with using a custom domain with my iCloud mail account. This lets me accept all messages sent to my custom domain.
So when I create accounts I just use that as the email address like this: [email protected], [email protected], etc.
They all go to one mailbox but that’s all I need anyway. I’ve been happy with it.
Can you send mail through each email? I had a catch all forwarder before but it l had to reply with a different email, leading to occasional issues.
That’s basically the reason I have a server. I can set up forwarders between my wife and I, and if I need to send mail as [email protected], I can just set up the alias and send it.
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I know there are alternatives like proton mail, tutamail, mailbox.org, etc... But what would be the issue if I create an email using my personal domain, stored in my hosting.. maybe encryption? It seems that no-one even consider this option, but I am not sure why...
What would you suggest?
stored in my hosting..
This, specifically, is the issue people are warning you about. Yes, your hosting account from Bluehost has the ability to handle email, but it's not great. It's really there just so the server can send admin emails and such, not support a full email architecture.
Simplifying - part of the way spam is detected by the servers that receive an email is to check the IP address from where it came from against a list of IP addresses known to deliver spam. If it's coming from a spam IP, the message is likely spam, so they either put it in the recipient's spam folder or fail to deliver it entirely.
Now, you may think you don't need to be worried because you're an upstanding web citizen and would never send out spam messages. However, your hosting is on a shared server, with anywhere from a handful to dozens and dozens of not hundreds of other hosting accounts, all sharing the same IP address, and they have this email ability as well. If any one of them, intentionally or unintentionally, sends out a bunch of spam messages and gets your IP address flagged, the entire server loses its reputation for some period of time. Most of the time, this is caused by people not keeping their website security up to date and their site getting infected. The malicious code then goes and sends out as many spam emails as it can before the hosting company shuts things down.
Unfortunately, you end up having very little control over the situation.
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You can ask your hosting provider to do something about your malicious/ incompetent neighbor, but they may or may not.
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You can ask to be moved to a new server, but that's just playing neighbor roulette.
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If you are able to get your hosting provider to do something about your neighbor, the other email servers in the world are still going to distrust receiving emails from your IP address for some period of time. You can make requests to try and have your IP address unflagged, that they may or may not do.
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Even if you do all the leg work of getting your server unflagged, one of your stupid neighbors could immediately get the server flagged again.
So, as others have said - yes, you can use your hosting account as your email server. But considering it's only a few bucks a month to have a dedicated email service handle it, it's generally not worth the hassle and headache.
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email is incredibly complicated to host yourself successfully due to security, dns requirements. i have a pretty good handle on how to do it, but i havent since ~ 2015 because of the constant upkeep and challenges from the email ecosystem at large.
It’s not THAT bad. Certainly more complicated than before. I don’t think it requires that much upkeep. But this time around it took around 1 month to get it stable. Then I’m coasting for the time being.
But yes, unless you have a specific use case or strong desire, dont.
Email is so important. If you don’t have a stable way to do it and something goes down, you’re SOL and you are responsible
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Can you send mail through each email? I had a catch all forwarder before but it l had to reply with a different email, leading to occasional issues.
That’s basically the reason I have a server. I can set up forwarders between my wife and I, and if I need to send mail as [email protected], I can just set up the alias and send it.
With apple you’re limited to 5 sending addresses per domain, so no I cannot reply as the from address to most, but that hasn’t been an issue for me at all.
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I bought a domain through cloud flare qand use them for dns, I use Fastmail as my mail service.
Fairly simple setup.
Same, except I bought the domain through namecheap
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I know there are alternatives like proton mail, tutamail, mailbox.org, etc... But what would be the issue if I create an email using my personal domain, stored in my hosting.. maybe encryption? It seems that no-one even consider this option, but I am not sure why...
What would you suggest?
I do aliases through simplelogin and have my domain hosted on mxroute.
My domain is my real last name...so I have subdomains like
@myfirst.lastname.comgets pointed to simplelogin for aliases, which then forwards to mxroute.@mywifesfirst.lastname.comgoes to the same simplelogin and points to her Gmail for now.Mxroute is cheap and they've got decent web apps but really more made for traditional IMAP clients. And they don't really do groupware...just email. But that's really the hardest part, from an admin perspective.
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Does Proton bridge work? I know nothing about that game.
Prooooobably but I was also working with other users who are tech illiterate and setting up even an app password for a mail client is almost a bridge too far, so another plugin/program is asking them a lot unfortunately.
If I need encryption I can encrypt.
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Prooooobably but I was also working with other users who are tech illiterate and setting up even an app password for a mail client is almost a bridge too far, so another plugin/program is asking them a lot unfortunately.
If I need encryption I can encrypt.
Wait, is everyone using the same account or something? Why don't they just use whatever email account they already use?
Proton just sends and accepts regular, unencrypted email, which is totally fine for something like a casual game. Whether you use Proton or something else is irrelevant, all that matters is that your end works.
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I know there are alternatives like proton mail, tutamail, mailbox.org, etc... But what would be the issue if I create an email using my personal domain, stored in my hosting.. maybe encryption? It seems that no-one even consider this option, but I am not sure why...
What would you suggest?
I use Addy.io with my own domain. The reason is that I don't want to depend on Addyio.
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Hi. I used to run a mail server around ten years ago and started running it again last year.
I have three receive mail domains and one mail domain that does both. It is /so/ much harder now.
- One domain that I let lapse for a few years is currently being impersonated by various servers.
- There are periodic and frequent attempts to login via compromised credentials
- Domain and IP reputation is a thing now.
The first challenge is to find a server that will let you host email but that isn’t on a spam list. Some spam lists you can apply to get off, some you can’t.
Then you have Microsoft. With Google you get thrown into spam. With Microsoft, your email just doesn’t make it. Their support is non existent.
I switched servers three times and took another month to get to Microsoft hosted inboxes. And your email is useless without Microsoft due to all the businesses that use Microsoft as a mail provider
And then if you use the mail app on iOS you quickly discover that you have to manually refresh because just on iOS, the mail app doesn’t support imap push or whatever it’s called.
I still haven’t found a good SELF hosted solution. There are third parties you can use but I don’t want to do it. There used to be a few popular solutions but development went off and on so some distros dropped it.
I’m still on Google and Apple calendar because I haven’t found a solution for that.
Of course there are solutions that encompass it all, but I am running postfix and dovecot and finally got it stable so I’m not running mailcow or whatever…
Nextcloud is great for contacts and calendar. Try it. I recommend using the all-in-one docker. Super easy to setup.
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I've been using my own cloud-hosted SMTP relay and Zimbra server for over a decade now, and I love it.
There can be a bit of a learning curve, and in some cases sites won't accept mail from cloud-hosted domains. I add those domains to a rule in sendmail that sends those domains through Amazon SES, and then they get accepted.
If you do go this route, just make sure that your recovery emails or 2FA for things like your registrar go somewhere else. If your cloud provider pulls the plug on you or something you don't want to be stuck waiting for an email that can't arrive.
I love the level of control that I have over my email and wouldn't have it any other way.
tl;dr: steep learning curve, but worth it in the long run. Keep gmail as a recovery/2FA account or something, though.
What benefits do you get from selfhosting?
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You can point your domain on any hoster like mailbox.org. There are a lot of benefits at not hosting your own mailserver.
A major downside is that email is not encrypted and Email usually contains very sensitive personal information.
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But why support the Nazi sympathizer?
Where did you dig this up?
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I can read his tweet. It makes absolutely no sense as his words are the literal opposite of what is really happening right in front of everyone's eyes. The only explanation is he is sucking up to the party that is dismantling our democracy for his own financial gain.
He stands to gain nothing from this. This is a swizz company.
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I can read his tweet. It makes absolutely no sense as his words are the literal opposite of what is really happening right in front of everyone's eyes. The only explanation is he is sucking up to the party that is dismantling our democracy for his own financial gain.
The other user already shared some article with lots of historical data, both words and actions, that should give a better picture.
Anyway, since you decided to ignore all that, then there is also to say that the tweet was a speculation made months ago on a topic where nothing happened yet (or at least, I haven't read any news about antitrust in the last month).
I don't think anything will happen, but anyway that makes it at most naive. -
I've read this with concerning frequency, was SPF/DMARC/DKIM all in order? I also have to question if it was a matter of IP reputation, since shared hosting IP ranges are usually pretty thrashed.
I rent mailbox services (for a custom domain) from a local ISP and don't have problems with deliverability as such.
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I've read this with concerning frequency, was SPF/DMARC/DKIM all in order? I also have to question if it was a matter of IP reputation, since shared hosting IP ranges are usually pretty thrashed.
I rent mailbox services (for a custom domain) from a local ISP and don't have problems with deliverability as such.
Those were in order (it was 15 years ago so i don't recall if all existed but at least some did). Probably ip range but who knows
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Wait, is everyone using the same account or something? Why don't they just use whatever email account they already use?
Proton just sends and accepts regular, unencrypted email, which is totally fine for something like a casual game. Whether you use Proton or something else is irrelevant, all that matters is that your end works.
I’m not the only user of my domain, I have other users.
I don’t want to use Google.
My use case unfortunately meant proton and Tutanoa did not work.
