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Cars will need fewer screens and more buttons to earn a 5-star safety rating in Europe | Euro NCAP will introduce new testing rules in 2026 requiring physical controls for the highest safety score

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  • A [email protected]

    Driving and texting is dangerous. Put down that phone and stare at this ipad in your dash! Further the ipad is slow, designed by imbeciles, is glitchy, buggy, and not intuitive and doesn't follow modern design standards.

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    now with #ADS, please tap the x to continue changing your GPS.

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      cars will need to use buttons, dials, or stalks for hazard warning lights, indicators, windscreen wipers, SOS calls, and the horn.

      Not enough, in my opinion. I've never had a car with these on touch screens, but I can't imagine why anyone would think it's a good idea. I'd like entertainment centers to stop being touch screens as well, but this doesn't go that far. Hopefully they do in the future, though, since this is a good start!

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      Not far enough indeed.

      I dont need all my entertainment as physical controls but I do at least want volume - and that is totally justifiable as a safety consideration too. Sometimes you need to mute it quickly if you think you heard something of concern on the road - or if you are like me, just to concentrate on driving when things get tricky..

      There are so many other items you can apply similar safety arguments for:

      Blowers and demisters - you shouldn't be messing around in a touchscreen when you see your windows starting to fog

      Cabin temperature - Uncomfortable driver = distracted driver

      In my opinion, the place to draw the line should be this:

      If the driver always has the luxury of choosing when to engage with the feature, then it can be fully touchscreen. (example - entertainment except volume, fuel economy settings, electric seat position)

      If the need to interact with the feature is triggered by external conditions and will happen in motion, it MUST be physical. (Example: wipers, heating, blowers, all headlight and fog light controls, enable or diasable lane assist, cruise control)

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        European New Car Assessment Program (NCAP) — an independent and well-regarded safety body for the automotive industry — is set to introduce new rules in January 2026 that require the vehicles it assesses to have physical controls to receive a full five-star safety rating.

        While Euro NCAP testing is voluntary, it is widely backed by several EU governments with companies like Tesla, Volvo, VW, and BMW using their five-star scores to boast about the safety of their vehicles to potential buyers.

        “The overuse of touchscreens is an industry-wide problem, with almost every vehicle-maker moving key controls onto central touchscreens, obliging drivers to take their eyes off the road and raising the risk of distraction crashes,” said Matthew Avery, director of strategic development at Euro NCAP, to the Times. To be eligible for the maximum safety rating after the new testing guidelines go into effect, cars will need to use buttons, dials, or stalks for hazard warning lights, indicators, windscreen wipers, SOS calls, and the horn.

        The Euro NCAP’s safety guidelines aren’t a legal requirement, however, car makers take safety ratings pretty seriously, so any risk of points being docked during such assessments is likely to be taken into consideration.

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        I hope the standard makes it clear that touch buttons are about as bad as a touch screen is

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          European New Car Assessment Program (NCAP) — an independent and well-regarded safety body for the automotive industry — is set to introduce new rules in January 2026 that require the vehicles it assesses to have physical controls to receive a full five-star safety rating.

          While Euro NCAP testing is voluntary, it is widely backed by several EU governments with companies like Tesla, Volvo, VW, and BMW using their five-star scores to boast about the safety of their vehicles to potential buyers.

          “The overuse of touchscreens is an industry-wide problem, with almost every vehicle-maker moving key controls onto central touchscreens, obliging drivers to take their eyes off the road and raising the risk of distraction crashes,” said Matthew Avery, director of strategic development at Euro NCAP, to the Times. To be eligible for the maximum safety rating after the new testing guidelines go into effect, cars will need to use buttons, dials, or stalks for hazard warning lights, indicators, windscreen wipers, SOS calls, and the horn.

          The Euro NCAP’s safety guidelines aren’t a legal requirement, however, car makers take safety ratings pretty seriously, so any risk of points being docked during such assessments is likely to be taken into consideration.

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          If they could ban the "confirm you know the rules of the fucking road" dialogue box that would be great.

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          • nighed@feddit.ukN [email protected]

            I consider temperature and fan controls to be safety critical for demisting windows etc for example.

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            What, keeping a rag on hand to wipe away the fog on the windshield every 3 minutes isn't safe enough?

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              European New Car Assessment Program (NCAP) — an independent and well-regarded safety body for the automotive industry — is set to introduce new rules in January 2026 that require the vehicles it assesses to have physical controls to receive a full five-star safety rating.

              While Euro NCAP testing is voluntary, it is widely backed by several EU governments with companies like Tesla, Volvo, VW, and BMW using their five-star scores to boast about the safety of their vehicles to potential buyers.

              “The overuse of touchscreens is an industry-wide problem, with almost every vehicle-maker moving key controls onto central touchscreens, obliging drivers to take their eyes off the road and raising the risk of distraction crashes,” said Matthew Avery, director of strategic development at Euro NCAP, to the Times. To be eligible for the maximum safety rating after the new testing guidelines go into effect, cars will need to use buttons, dials, or stalks for hazard warning lights, indicators, windscreen wipers, SOS calls, and the horn.

              The Euro NCAP’s safety guidelines aren’t a legal requirement, however, car makers take safety ratings pretty seriously, so any risk of points being docked during such assessments is likely to be taken into consideration.

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              Screen consoles in 4000lb bullets were the dumbest engineering idea ever. It’s probably a contributing factor as to why accident rates are up.

              Up until 2018 I could manipulate my entire console without shifting my eyes from the road. Doing this by touch alone only works with physical buttons and knobs.

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                European New Car Assessment Program (NCAP) — an independent and well-regarded safety body for the automotive industry — is set to introduce new rules in January 2026 that require the vehicles it assesses to have physical controls to receive a full five-star safety rating.

                While Euro NCAP testing is voluntary, it is widely backed by several EU governments with companies like Tesla, Volvo, VW, and BMW using their five-star scores to boast about the safety of their vehicles to potential buyers.

                “The overuse of touchscreens is an industry-wide problem, with almost every vehicle-maker moving key controls onto central touchscreens, obliging drivers to take their eyes off the road and raising the risk of distraction crashes,” said Matthew Avery, director of strategic development at Euro NCAP, to the Times. To be eligible for the maximum safety rating after the new testing guidelines go into effect, cars will need to use buttons, dials, or stalks for hazard warning lights, indicators, windscreen wipers, SOS calls, and the horn.

                The Euro NCAP’s safety guidelines aren’t a legal requirement, however, car makers take safety ratings pretty seriously, so any risk of points being docked during such assessments is likely to be taken into consideration.

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                How about just banning touchscreen use while driving altogether?

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                  cars will need to use buttons, dials, or stalks for hazard warning lights, indicators, windscreen wipers, SOS calls, and the horn.

                  Not enough, in my opinion. I've never had a car with these on touch screens, but I can't imagine why anyone would think it's a good idea. I'd like entertainment centers to stop being touch screens as well, but this doesn't go that far. Hopefully they do in the future, though, since this is a good start!

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                  I can't imagine why anyone would think it's a good idea

                  Suposedly it's to cut costs but I find it very hard to believe a few buttons add much cost at all. Much less at the expense of customer satisfaction. Tripping over a dollar to pick up a dime, in my opinion.

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                  • ulrich@feddit.orgU [email protected]

                    I can't imagine why anyone would think it's a good idea

                    Suposedly it's to cut costs but I find it very hard to believe a few buttons add much cost at all. Much less at the expense of customer satisfaction. Tripping over a dollar to pick up a dime, in my opinion.

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                    The button might be 1c, but you gotta wire it, install it, warranty it etc etc. It's not as inconsequential as you might think. And there's a lot of them.

                    A screen is the screen and the wiring to the computer.

                    It's a couple skus to maintain instead of dozens. It's 1 warranty item instead of dozens.

                    It might not be a good idea, but it absolutely will save a noticeable amount of money per vehicle.

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                      The button might be 1c, but you gotta wire it, install it, warranty it etc etc. It's not as inconsequential as you might think. And there's a lot of them.

                      A screen is the screen and the wiring to the computer.

                      It's a couple skus to maintain instead of dozens. It's 1 warranty item instead of dozens.

                      It might not be a good idea, but it absolutely will save a noticeable amount of money per vehicle.

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                      it absolutely will save a noticeable amount of money per vehicle.

                      I don't believe that.

                      Monroe has talked about how they removed some bolts that weren't absolutely necessary from the vehicle, saving them hundreds of thousands of dollars. In that case, it's fine. In this case I think it's the same situation except they don't care about driver safety. If the driver is fucking with touchscreens and crashes, that's gonna be on the driver.

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                      • ulrich@feddit.orgU [email protected]

                        it absolutely will save a noticeable amount of money per vehicle.

                        I don't believe that.

                        Monroe has talked about how they removed some bolts that weren't absolutely necessary from the vehicle, saving them hundreds of thousands of dollars. In that case, it's fine. In this case I think it's the same situation except they don't care about driver safety. If the driver is fucking with touchscreens and crashes, that's gonna be on the driver.

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                        You're contradicting yourself LOL

                        I don’t believe that.

                        Monroe has talked about how they removed some bolts that weren’t absolutely necessary from the vehicle, saving them hundreds of thousands of dollars. In that case, it’s fine.

                        Its okay if you don't like it, but come on dude, a screen is going to be cheaper by 10s or maybe a hundred dollars a car. Were talking 10s of millions saved with any company doing this at scale.

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                        • altima_neo@lemmy.zipA [email protected]

                          Gimme a keyboard and mouse. I can drive the whole car and operate the infotainment with my 250 apm

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                          Replace the steering wheel with a Steam Deck.

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                          • N [email protected]

                            You're contradicting yourself LOL

                            I don’t believe that.

                            Monroe has talked about how they removed some bolts that weren’t absolutely necessary from the vehicle, saving them hundreds of thousands of dollars. In that case, it’s fine.

                            Its okay if you don't like it, but come on dude, a screen is going to be cheaper by 10s or maybe a hundred dollars a car. Were talking 10s of millions saved with any company doing this at scale.

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                            You're contradicting yourself LOL

                            No I'm not ROFLCOPTER

                            a screen is going to be cheaper by 10s or maybe a hundred dollars a car

                            10s, yes. Hundreds, no.

                            Were talking 10s of millions or more saved with any company doing this at scale

                            Money saved to the company, not the end user. The end user just receives a severely degraded and unsafe experience.

                            I mean shit, let's just remove all the seats, that'll save THOUSANDS per car, right!?

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                              You're contradicting yourself LOL

                              No I'm not ROFLCOPTER

                              a screen is going to be cheaper by 10s or maybe a hundred dollars a car

                              10s, yes. Hundreds, no.

                              Were talking 10s of millions or more saved with any company doing this at scale

                              Money saved to the company, not the end user. The end user just receives a severely degraded and unsafe experience.

                              I mean shit, let's just remove all the seats, that'll save THOUSANDS per car, right!?

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                              Okay, so you admit, using a screen saves money.

                              Thank you, it was a pleasure watching you come to the realization.

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                              • ulrich@feddit.orgU [email protected]

                                How about just banning touchscreen use while driving altogether?

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                                Well, presumably this group is more about models of cars and less about individual driver behavior.

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                                  Okay, so you admit, using a screen saves money.

                                  Thank you, it was a pleasure watching you come to the realization.

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                                  There was no realization. I never said anything to the contrary.

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                                  • pika@sh.itjust.worksP [email protected]

                                    now with #ADS, please tap the x to continue changing your GPS.

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                                    Your brakes will be available again after this mandatory 30s ad.

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                                      Well, presumably this group is more about models of cars and less about individual driver behavior.

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                                      I didn't mean individual driver behavior, I mean ban touchscreens from accepting any inputs at all while driving.

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                                      • A [email protected]

                                        As someone who drives a mazda with infotainment designed before touchscreens (it has one), I'm fine with this.

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                                        I bought my Mazda 3 used. The captain's knob will be sorely missed if I ever get a different car.

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                                          You're contradicting yourself LOL

                                          I don’t believe that.

                                          Monroe has talked about how they removed some bolts that weren’t absolutely necessary from the vehicle, saving them hundreds of thousands of dollars. In that case, it’s fine.

                                          Its okay if you don't like it, but come on dude, a screen is going to be cheaper by 10s or maybe a hundred dollars a car. Were talking 10s of millions saved with any company doing this at scale.

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                                          You don't genuinely believe anyone is installing and wiring up individual buttons in a car, do you? That whole row of buttons is delivered as a single unit just like the screen is and will have a single connector just like the screen does. Sure, you then have to install and test two units (screen and buttons) but that is about it in terms of extra work.

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