Do you ever drink "strategically"?
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Freedom of speech as an absolute sounds virtuous until you hit the paradox of tolerance.
Freedom of speech as an absolute
Of course it's not absolute, where did I say otherwise? Straw man.
paradox of tolerance
This just feels like a fancy reference deployed to back up intolerance.
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Then you do understand why people are downvoting because this is bad advice and others dont want people to see it.
I'll be honest, a quick review of this thread did not clearly reveal who was downvoting who for what. My position, and this other person's, is that downvoting opinions is bad manners and toxic to healthy discussion. If there was genuinely harmful advice there, then OK, downvote away.
(Obviously these days the word "harmful" is thrown around liberally so this probably just puts us back to square one.)
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Just bought box wine the other day cuz I knew I had to have a super uncomfortable conversation that could not be avoided and I needed to be anaesthetized for it
It worked and I know in retrospect I really needed it to be that way
Edit/Update: person I had convo with just texted me and apologized for combativeness and I mutually apologized for not dealing with it sooner and we're along and on to solution mode. The system works, please dont drink if you dont have too but dont forbid yourself from using a tool to improve your situation and try to always be honest. The less you lie or hide, the less influence you will have to unnecessarily drink
I do this every time I go visit my father. His wife is a crazy narcissistic loon and I just cannot fucking stand being around her, so I drink when I'm there because it's the only way I can tolerate being around her. But my dad drinks with me, so I dunno, our relationship has been so strained and awkward for so long, I think we both do it to ease some of that tension.
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Just bought box wine the other day cuz I knew I had to have a super uncomfortable conversation that could not be avoided and I needed to be anaesthetized for it
It worked and I know in retrospect I really needed it to be that way
Edit/Update: person I had convo with just texted me and apologized for combativeness and I mutually apologized for not dealing with it sooner and we're along and on to solution mode. The system works, please dont drink if you dont have too but dont forbid yourself from using a tool to improve your situation and try to always be honest. The less you lie or hide, the less influence you will have to unnecessarily drink
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Hmmm, may drink strategically to dodge rules like no self brought alcohol on the festival, or a way to feel the effect good enough before needing to run to the bus.
But to deal with drama? No that I'm taking fully in so I can learn from it if something similar happens again
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I downvoted you because I think you're judging just a little. Not everyone is an addict.
Spoken like someone who hasn't seen how easy it is to ruin a life with alcohol.
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Just bought box wine the other day cuz I knew I had to have a super uncomfortable conversation that could not be avoided and I needed to be anaesthetized for it
It worked and I know in retrospect I really needed it to be that way
Edit/Update: person I had convo with just texted me and apologized for combativeness and I mutually apologized for not dealing with it sooner and we're along and on to solution mode. The system works, please dont drink if you dont have too but dont forbid yourself from using a tool to improve your situation and try to always be honest. The less you lie or hide, the less influence you will have to unnecessarily drink
Short answer... no. Long answer... Noooooooooooooooooooo
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Just bought box wine the other day cuz I knew I had to have a super uncomfortable conversation that could not be avoided and I needed to be anaesthetized for it
It worked and I know in retrospect I really needed it to be that way
Edit/Update: person I had convo with just texted me and apologized for combativeness and I mutually apologized for not dealing with it sooner and we're along and on to solution mode. The system works, please dont drink if you dont have too but dont forbid yourself from using a tool to improve your situation and try to always be honest. The less you lie or hide, the less influence you will have to unnecessarily drink
PSA to the youngs who see Box of Wine and think QUANTITY.
Box of wine actually stays best longest because the tapped bag doesn't take in O2 and start to sour.
So box wine is usually pretty par for paced domestic drinking and cooking.I'm sure someone has smashed the box, but they also serve people who are more likely to leave the last glass in the bottle too long.
Bought Box does not mean Drank Box.
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Spoken like someone who hasn't seen how easy it is to ruin a life with alcohol.
Like I said. Judging, and projecting your problems onto everyone else.
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Just bought box wine the other day cuz I knew I had to have a super uncomfortable conversation that could not be avoided and I needed to be anaesthetized for it
It worked and I know in retrospect I really needed it to be that way
Edit/Update: person I had convo with just texted me and apologized for combativeness and I mutually apologized for not dealing with it sooner and we're along and on to solution mode. The system works, please dont drink if you dont have too but dont forbid yourself from using a tool to improve your situation and try to always be honest. The less you lie or hide, the less influence you will have to unnecessarily drink
No all my thoughts are dumb
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I downvoted you because I think you're judging just a little. Not everyone is an addict.
I downvoted you because i think you're projecting your judgmental mindset onto others.
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Just bought box wine the other day cuz I knew I had to have a super uncomfortable conversation that could not be avoided and I needed to be anaesthetized for it
It worked and I know in retrospect I really needed it to be that way
Edit/Update: person I had convo with just texted me and apologized for combativeness and I mutually apologized for not dealing with it sooner and we're along and on to solution mode. The system works, please dont drink if you dont have too but dont forbid yourself from using a tool to improve your situation and try to always be honest. The less you lie or hide, the less influence you will have to unnecessarily drink
I strategically refrain from alcohol or other drug consumption. And my life has improved drastically ever since.
Whatever the reason that you feel you have to abuse drugs as a coping mechanism, it will only make things worse. You will not be able to process your emotions, you will not be able to think clear about what is your best way forward and you will not be able to grow stronger while drugged up.
The fact that you say you "needed to be anesthetized" for an uncomfortable conversation screams that you are either already having a drug abuse problem and that you have issues with your emotional regulation.
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Just bought box wine the other day cuz I knew I had to have a super uncomfortable conversation that could not be avoided and I needed to be anaesthetized for it
It worked and I know in retrospect I really needed it to be that way
Edit/Update: person I had convo with just texted me and apologized for combativeness and I mutually apologized for not dealing with it sooner and we're along and on to solution mode. The system works, please dont drink if you dont have too but dont forbid yourself from using a tool to improve your situation and try to always be honest. The less you lie or hide, the less influence you will have to unnecessarily drink
I know everyone in here’s saying no but I do. If I’m going to a social occasion I might have a drink beforehand; not much, just enough to feel it. I’m not the most comfortable in social situations and a beer can just take the edge off. I don’t get drunk or anything and I’d only do it if there’s going to be alcohol there anyway.
I also drink sometimes to help me sleep. I have ADHD and I struggle to switch my brain off. Sometimes I hit like 2am and if I think I need it I have a bottle of whisky downstairs that I’ll go and have a drink off. Again, just enough to feel it. I have pills and medicine that help me sleep, and they work also, but they leave me feeling groggy the next day. With a little whisky I don’t even feel it the next day and it seems to work just as well. I don’t do it too often, maybe once every 3 or 4 weeks.
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I'll be honest, a quick review of this thread did not clearly reveal who was downvoting who for what. My position, and this other person's, is that downvoting opinions is bad manners and toxic to healthy discussion. If there was genuinely harmful advice there, then OK, downvote away.
(Obviously these days the word "harmful" is thrown around liberally so this probably just puts us back to square one.)
wrote on last edited by [email protected]It seems you might not understand what downvotes are for then. Downvotes are for things that do not contribute to discussion so things like insults or actively dangerous suggestions should be downvoted.
Suggesting what is a very typical path to addiction for addicts is very bad advice and should not be shared. When someone is foolish enough to do so it should be downvoted because the whole discussion is toxic
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Freedom of speech as an absolute
Of course it's not absolute, where did I say otherwise? Straw man.
paradox of tolerance
This just feels like a fancy reference deployed to back up intolerance.
They never made a straw man argument because they qualify it with the second part that you cut off. Why did you do that?
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I strategically refrain from alcohol or other drug consumption. And my life has improved drastically ever since.
Whatever the reason that you feel you have to abuse drugs as a coping mechanism, it will only make things worse. You will not be able to process your emotions, you will not be able to think clear about what is your best way forward and you will not be able to grow stronger while drugged up.
The fact that you say you "needed to be anesthetized" for an uncomfortable conversation screams that you are either already having a drug abuse problem and that you have issues with your emotional regulation.
I am glad this is working for you, but not everyone has the same caustic relationship with recreational drugs that you do. Alcohol has been around since over 5000 years BC, but somehow you and a great deal of others have gone on this mini "prohibition" movement and have it all figured out. Good for you, but let's not let this turn into a new movement where "I know better than you" becomes an excuse to tell others how to live their lives. Prohibition in the US started just like this.
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Given the fact that they said they need the equivalent of FOUR bottles of wine to have an uncomfortable conversation, it's a red flag.
You're right, many people can consume things in moderation, but when you see warning signs like that, warning them isn't a form of pearl clutching so much as "dude, be careful."
I think most people wouldn't be able to have ANY conversation after four whole bottles of wine. I certainly wouldn't.
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Just bought box wine the other day cuz I knew I had to have a super uncomfortable conversation that could not be avoided and I needed to be anaesthetized for it
It worked and I know in retrospect I really needed it to be that way
Edit/Update: person I had convo with just texted me and apologized for combativeness and I mutually apologized for not dealing with it sooner and we're along and on to solution mode. The system works, please dont drink if you dont have too but dont forbid yourself from using a tool to improve your situation and try to always be honest. The less you lie or hide, the less influence you will have to unnecessarily drink
Everyone high roading you here is probably on anti-anxiety meds lol
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Would you care to clarify?
You don't become an alcoholic for a single episode. I get US and EU are very different when it comes to alcohol consumption, but if OP would see alcohol as the only way to manage all of his problems, ok, it's dangerous, but if he reckon this is a one of a kind solution, it's just a bad choice
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You don't become an alcoholic for a single episode. I get US and EU are very different when it comes to alcohol consumption, but if OP would see alcohol as the only way to manage all of his problems, ok, it's dangerous, but if he reckon this is a one of a kind solution, it's just a bad choice
If you've read my comment history with OP, I was voicing my concerns because that was part of how it started for me. Thankfully I'm on the other side of alcoholism now. I just know that if someone is asking a question showing concern for their drinking, I will speak up and voice concern.
I'm not attempting to take away any agency, I just wish someone had actually said something to me rather than downplaying my concerns. I may have not fallen down the rabbit hole, because I still had a handle on it then.
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It seems you might not understand what downvotes are for then. Downvotes are for things that do not contribute to discussion so things like insults or actively dangerous suggestions should be downvoted.
Suggesting what is a very typical path to addiction for addicts is very bad advice and should not be shared. When someone is foolish enough to do so it should be downvoted because the whole discussion is toxic
@[email protected] is on somewhat of a crusade against downvotes. They have quite a few comments like that, where they get personally offended by the concept that someone might not like what someone else has to say.
In this thread it was super clear who was downvoting and why. The first comment in this thread was just about clarifying that.
