Did you think Ukraine could win?
-
This is a lesson in propaganda. Were you convinced into believing that Ukraine could win the war, or even take back Crimea?
Do you remember all the propaganda when Ukraine was pleading for more weapons from the West for their counteroffensive? Did you believe the hype?
If you answer 'yes,' to any of these, how do you feel now? Do you think you were manipulated into believing lies by people with an agenda? Are you going to be more skeptical of the 'wisdom of the crowd' from now on?
Are you going to get mad at whoever mentions this?
Edit: "It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled." -Mark Twain
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. The fact none of you are able to give a 'yes or no' answer instead of mental gymnastics and personal attacks is a fine example of how it manifests.
This is a lesson in propaganda, and clearly neither side is above it.
Are you suggesting that Trump will manage to gift Ukraine to his puppeteer Putin?
-
This is a lesson in propaganda. Were you convinced into believing that Ukraine could win the war, or even take back Crimea?
Do you remember all the propaganda when Ukraine was pleading for more weapons from the West for their counteroffensive? Did you believe the hype?
If you answer 'yes,' to any of these, how do you feel now? Do you think you were manipulated into believing lies by people with an agenda? Are you going to be more skeptical of the 'wisdom of the crowd' from now on?
Are you going to get mad at whoever mentions this?
Edit: "It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled." -Mark Twain
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. The fact none of you are able to give a 'yes or no' answer instead of mental gymnastics and personal attacks is a fine example of how it manifests.
This is a lesson in propaganda, and clearly neither side is above it.
Take a lesson from history, you twit.
-
This is a lesson in propaganda. Were you convinced into believing that Ukraine could win the war, or even take back Crimea?
Do you remember all the propaganda when Ukraine was pleading for more weapons from the West for their counteroffensive? Did you believe the hype?
If you answer 'yes,' to any of these, how do you feel now? Do you think you were manipulated into believing lies by people with an agenda? Are you going to be more skeptical of the 'wisdom of the crowd' from now on?
Are you going to get mad at whoever mentions this?
Edit: "It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled." -Mark Twain
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. The fact none of you are able to give a 'yes or no' answer instead of mental gymnastics and personal attacks is a fine example of how it manifests.
This is a lesson in propaganda, and clearly neither side is above it.
I don't see any winners.
-
This is a lesson in propaganda. Were you convinced into believing that Ukraine could win the war, or even take back Crimea?
Do you remember all the propaganda when Ukraine was pleading for more weapons from the West for their counteroffensive? Did you believe the hype?
If you answer 'yes,' to any of these, how do you feel now? Do you think you were manipulated into believing lies by people with an agenda? Are you going to be more skeptical of the 'wisdom of the crowd' from now on?
Are you going to get mad at whoever mentions this?
Edit: "It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled." -Mark Twain
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. The fact none of you are able to give a 'yes or no' answer instead of mental gymnastics and personal attacks is a fine example of how it manifests.
This is a lesson in propaganda, and clearly neither side is above it.
Considering the timely withdrawals of support from US/the west whenever Ukraine makes gains I kinda feel like the US are more focused on depleting Russian war assets more than winning or losing.
-
This is a lesson in propaganda. Were you convinced into believing that Ukraine could win the war, or even take back Crimea?
Do you remember all the propaganda when Ukraine was pleading for more weapons from the West for their counteroffensive? Did you believe the hype?
If you answer 'yes,' to any of these, how do you feel now? Do you think you were manipulated into believing lies by people with an agenda? Are you going to be more skeptical of the 'wisdom of the crowd' from now on?
Are you going to get mad at whoever mentions this?
Edit: "It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled." -Mark Twain
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. The fact none of you are able to give a 'yes or no' answer instead of mental gymnastics and personal attacks is a fine example of how it manifests.
This is a lesson in propaganda, and clearly neither side is above it.
It has never been about who will win. It has always been about doing what is right. I will continue to support Ukraine regardless of their ability to "win."
-
This is a lesson in propaganda. Were you convinced into believing that Ukraine could win the war, or even take back Crimea?
Do you remember all the propaganda when Ukraine was pleading for more weapons from the West for their counteroffensive? Did you believe the hype?
If you answer 'yes,' to any of these, how do you feel now? Do you think you were manipulated into believing lies by people with an agenda? Are you going to be more skeptical of the 'wisdom of the crowd' from now on?
Are you going to get mad at whoever mentions this?
Edit: "It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled." -Mark Twain
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. The fact none of you are able to give a 'yes or no' answer instead of mental gymnastics and personal attacks is a fine example of how it manifests.
This is a lesson in propaganda, and clearly neither side is above it.
Were you convinced the special military operation would be over in three days?
-
This is a lesson in propaganda. Were you convinced into believing that Ukraine could win the war, or even take back Crimea?
Do you remember all the propaganda when Ukraine was pleading for more weapons from the West for their counteroffensive? Did you believe the hype?
If you answer 'yes,' to any of these, how do you feel now? Do you think you were manipulated into believing lies by people with an agenda? Are you going to be more skeptical of the 'wisdom of the crowd' from now on?
Are you going to get mad at whoever mentions this?
Edit: "It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled." -Mark Twain
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. The fact none of you are able to give a 'yes or no' answer instead of mental gymnastics and personal attacks is a fine example of how it manifests.
This is a lesson in propaganda, and clearly neither side is above it.
Always fun to start the day with a post from a conspiracy nutter.
-
This is a lesson in propaganda. Were you convinced into believing that Ukraine could win the war, or even take back Crimea?
Do you remember all the propaganda when Ukraine was pleading for more weapons from the West for their counteroffensive? Did you believe the hype?
If you answer 'yes,' to any of these, how do you feel now? Do you think you were manipulated into believing lies by people with an agenda? Are you going to be more skeptical of the 'wisdom of the crowd' from now on?
Are you going to get mad at whoever mentions this?
Edit: "It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled." -Mark Twain
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. The fact none of you are able to give a 'yes or no' answer instead of mental gymnastics and personal attacks is a fine example of how it manifests.
This is a lesson in propaganda, and clearly neither side is above it.
-
This is a lesson in propaganda. Were you convinced into believing that Ukraine could win the war, or even take back Crimea?
Do you remember all the propaganda when Ukraine was pleading for more weapons from the West for their counteroffensive? Did you believe the hype?
If you answer 'yes,' to any of these, how do you feel now? Do you think you were manipulated into believing lies by people with an agenda? Are you going to be more skeptical of the 'wisdom of the crowd' from now on?
Are you going to get mad at whoever mentions this?
Edit: "It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled." -Mark Twain
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. The fact none of you are able to give a 'yes or no' answer instead of mental gymnastics and personal attacks is a fine example of how it manifests.
This is a lesson in propaganda, and clearly neither side is above it.
TBH, when Russia invaded, I thought Ukraine would get steamrollered. It was supposed to be like US vs. Iraq 1992, maybe faster.
The idea that Ukraine could hold their own and fight Russia to a standstill for so many years was out of the question at the time.
-
This is a lesson in propaganda. Were you convinced into believing that Ukraine could win the war, or even take back Crimea?
Do you remember all the propaganda when Ukraine was pleading for more weapons from the West for their counteroffensive? Did you believe the hype?
If you answer 'yes,' to any of these, how do you feel now? Do you think you were manipulated into believing lies by people with an agenda? Are you going to be more skeptical of the 'wisdom of the crowd' from now on?
Are you going to get mad at whoever mentions this?
Edit: "It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled." -Mark Twain
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. The fact none of you are able to give a 'yes or no' answer instead of mental gymnastics and personal attacks is a fine example of how it manifests.
This is a lesson in propaganda, and clearly neither side is above it.
Wow, framing the debate much?
-
TBH, when Russia invaded, I thought Ukraine would get steamrollered. It was supposed to be like US vs. Iraq 1992, maybe faster.
The idea that Ukraine could hold their own and fight Russia to a standstill for so many years was out of the question at the time.
Same here, just like I thought it was over when the Americans elected a big spoiled child at the White House.
-
Take a lesson from history, you twit.
wrote last edited by [email protected]What lesson should I be taking from history?
you twit.
No need for personal insults.
-
This is a lesson in propaganda. Were you convinced into believing that Ukraine could win the war, or even take back Crimea?
Do you remember all the propaganda when Ukraine was pleading for more weapons from the West for their counteroffensive? Did you believe the hype?
If you answer 'yes,' to any of these, how do you feel now? Do you think you were manipulated into believing lies by people with an agenda? Are you going to be more skeptical of the 'wisdom of the crowd' from now on?
Are you going to get mad at whoever mentions this?
Edit: "It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled." -Mark Twain
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. The fact none of you are able to give a 'yes or no' answer instead of mental gymnastics and personal attacks is a fine example of how it manifests.
This is a lesson in propaganda, and clearly neither side is above it.
Did the thought occur that maybe you've been fooled?
-
Wow, framing the debate much?
-
Did the thought occur that maybe you've been fooled?
How and by who?
-
This is a lesson in propaganda. Were you convinced into believing that Ukraine could win the war, or even take back Crimea?
Do you remember all the propaganda when Ukraine was pleading for more weapons from the West for their counteroffensive? Did you believe the hype?
If you answer 'yes,' to any of these, how do you feel now? Do you think you were manipulated into believing lies by people with an agenda? Are you going to be more skeptical of the 'wisdom of the crowd' from now on?
Are you going to get mad at whoever mentions this?
Edit: "It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled." -Mark Twain
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. The fact none of you are able to give a 'yes or no' answer instead of mental gymnastics and personal attacks is a fine example of how it manifests.
This is a lesson in propaganda, and clearly neither side is above it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]On February 23rd 2022, I said Putin would never attack, he'd be an absolute fool because he could never hold a country like Ukraine.
On February 25th 2022, I said "I give Ukraine 2 weeks, and then three decades of bloody occupation"
Today, I've learned to shut the fuck up about shit I don't understand. You should try the same.
Some things I do understand: Russia illegally occupied about 7% of Ukrainian territory before 2021. By March 2022 they held 26%. By november 2022, Russia illegally occupied 17.6% of Ukraine. Today, 1015 days later, Russia holds 19.3% of Ukraine.
Those are territorial gains of 0.6% per year, a speed that makes Douglas Haig look like a racecar driver. At this rate, Russia will hold all of Ukraine just in time Putin's 208th birthday.
Another thing I do understand: Ukraine can't win this war on the battlefield, but neither can Russia. Russia spent the final inheritance of the Soviet Union on this war. The massive reserves of materiel that Stalin, Chroesjtsjov, Brezjnev left for the Union (mostly made in Ukraine) have now been spent. The population that grew under the Soviet Union is also spent, the population pyramid is shattered.
At the same time, Ukraine has had its population genocided, it's children kidnapped and raised by Russian thieves to destroy their culture, and its men shot in an unjust to appease the ego of a leader who wishes he was half the despot Khrushchev was.
Both nations have already lost. Ukraine has lost everything they built since the Soviet Union fell, Russia lost everything they had left since the same time.
The only difference is how much more will be lost before Putin finally dies and the mad scramble for power will give Ukraine a break.
EDIT: I gave you a clear answer before your edit, you coward.
-
Always fun to start the day with a post from a conspiracy nutter.
Which conspiracy are you talking about?
-
This is a lesson in propaganda. Were you convinced into believing that Ukraine could win the war, or even take back Crimea?
Do you remember all the propaganda when Ukraine was pleading for more weapons from the West for their counteroffensive? Did you believe the hype?
If you answer 'yes,' to any of these, how do you feel now? Do you think you were manipulated into believing lies by people with an agenda? Are you going to be more skeptical of the 'wisdom of the crowd' from now on?
Are you going to get mad at whoever mentions this?
Edit: "It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled." -Mark Twain
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. The fact none of you are able to give a 'yes or no' answer instead of mental gymnastics and personal attacks is a fine example of how it manifests.
This is a lesson in propaganda, and clearly neither side is above it.
"This is a lesson in propaganda."
Well, at least you're honest up-front.
-
What lesson should I be taking from history?
you twit.
No need for personal insults.
Why is Afghanistan not occupied by the Americans, or the blyats, or the British, as one obvious example?
-
On February 23rd 2022, I said Putin would never attack, he'd be an absolute fool because he could never hold a country like Ukraine.
On February 25th 2022, I said "I give Ukraine 2 weeks, and then three decades of bloody occupation"
Today, I've learned to shut the fuck up about shit I don't understand. You should try the same.
Some things I do understand: Russia illegally occupied about 7% of Ukrainian territory before 2021. By March 2022 they held 26%. By november 2022, Russia illegally occupied 17.6% of Ukraine. Today, 1015 days later, Russia holds 19.3% of Ukraine.
Those are territorial gains of 0.6% per year, a speed that makes Douglas Haig look like a racecar driver. At this rate, Russia will hold all of Ukraine just in time Putin's 208th birthday.
Another thing I do understand: Ukraine can't win this war on the battlefield, but neither can Russia. Russia spent the final inheritance of the Soviet Union on this war. The massive reserves of materiel that Stalin, Chroesjtsjov, Brezjnev left for the Union (mostly made in Ukraine) have now been spent. The population that grew under the Soviet Union is also spent, the population pyramid is shattered.
At the same time, Ukraine has had its population genocided, it's children kidnapped and raised by Russian thieves to destroy their culture, and its men shot in an unjust to appease the ego of a leader who wishes he was half the despot Khrushchev was.
Both nations have already lost. Ukraine has lost everything they built since the Soviet Union fell, Russia lost everything they had left since the same time.
The only difference is how much more will be lost before Putin finally dies and the mad scramble for power will give Ukraine a break.
EDIT: I gave you a clear answer before your edit, you coward.
Those are territorial gains of 0.6% per year. At this rate, Russia will hold all of Ukraine just in time Putin’s 208th birthday.
War is about breaking the enemy's ability to fight. Imperial Japan lost almost no territory before losing.
