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Are we heading for another world war – or has it already started?

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  • powderhorn@beehaw.orgP This user is from outside of this forum
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    I'm not going to say the story backs the hed. Nonetheless, this isn't what you want to read happening. Selecting the correct excerpt is usually an easy task.

    Here, it isn't.

    The full story should be read, but the best I can do is this:

    For the former US secretary of state Antony Blinken, Donald Trump’s indifference to alienating allies is an act of vandalism. He said diplomats around the world were asking: “What the fuck is going on?”

    Blinken said America had spent 80 years building up trust, strong economic partnerships and military and political alliances, and if that was then taken down in a matter of 100 days it would be incredibly hard to rebuild.

    “It means countries look for ways to work around us, to work together but without the US,” he said. “The possibility that what will be said today will be reversed tomorrow, and will be reversed again, means they simply cannot count on us. Joe Biden used to say it is never a good idea to bet against America. The problem we now have is people are no longer betting on America.”

    I don't think anyone is arguing that there's any remaining U.S. hegemony, but this is stark. Get ready for everything you've known about the postwar era to go away. What comes next? Likely not anything good.

    Seriously: Read the full piece. This is a five-alarm shitshow, and we're worrying about Barbie imports.

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    • powderhorn@beehaw.orgP [email protected]

      I'm not going to say the story backs the hed. Nonetheless, this isn't what you want to read happening. Selecting the correct excerpt is usually an easy task.

      Here, it isn't.

      The full story should be read, but the best I can do is this:

      For the former US secretary of state Antony Blinken, Donald Trump’s indifference to alienating allies is an act of vandalism. He said diplomats around the world were asking: “What the fuck is going on?”

      Blinken said America had spent 80 years building up trust, strong economic partnerships and military and political alliances, and if that was then taken down in a matter of 100 days it would be incredibly hard to rebuild.

      “It means countries look for ways to work around us, to work together but without the US,” he said. “The possibility that what will be said today will be reversed tomorrow, and will be reversed again, means they simply cannot count on us. Joe Biden used to say it is never a good idea to bet against America. The problem we now have is people are no longer betting on America.”

      I don't think anyone is arguing that there's any remaining U.S. hegemony, but this is stark. Get ready for everything you've known about the postwar era to go away. What comes next? Likely not anything good.

      Seriously: Read the full piece. This is a five-alarm shitshow, and we're worrying about Barbie imports.

      apotheotic@beehaw.orgA This user is from outside of this forum
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      Unfortunately can't read the article without accepting cookies, but the exerpt you shared is indeed poignant and mirrors my own thinking recently. Nothing about the current global climate is encouraging.

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      • apotheotic@beehaw.orgA [email protected]

        Unfortunately can't read the article without accepting cookies, but the exerpt you shared is indeed poignant and mirrors my own thinking recently. Nothing about the current global climate is encouraging.

        powderhorn@beehaw.orgP This user is from outside of this forum
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        I have rather strong online hygiene myself and several Firefox add-ons such as NoScript, already behind Mullvad. The Guardian works fine for me. If you're locked down even harder, that's of course your choice, but it seems odd that you'd block cookies from a nonprofit.

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        • powderhorn@beehaw.orgP [email protected]

          I'm not going to say the story backs the hed. Nonetheless, this isn't what you want to read happening. Selecting the correct excerpt is usually an easy task.

          Here, it isn't.

          The full story should be read, but the best I can do is this:

          For the former US secretary of state Antony Blinken, Donald Trump’s indifference to alienating allies is an act of vandalism. He said diplomats around the world were asking: “What the fuck is going on?”

          Blinken said America had spent 80 years building up trust, strong economic partnerships and military and political alliances, and if that was then taken down in a matter of 100 days it would be incredibly hard to rebuild.

          “It means countries look for ways to work around us, to work together but without the US,” he said. “The possibility that what will be said today will be reversed tomorrow, and will be reversed again, means they simply cannot count on us. Joe Biden used to say it is never a good idea to bet against America. The problem we now have is people are no longer betting on America.”

          I don't think anyone is arguing that there's any remaining U.S. hegemony, but this is stark. Get ready for everything you've known about the postwar era to go away. What comes next? Likely not anything good.

          Seriously: Read the full piece. This is a five-alarm shitshow, and we're worrying about Barbie imports.

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          The thing that pisses me off the most these days is Westerners thinking the "rules-based" order ever mattered. It's not in retreat because there were never rules protecting small states from oppression by stronger actors; it was just out of sight from Westerners until 2022.

          In Gaza the world has watched as a blockade on food, aid and medical supplies, in defiance of binding orders by the international court of justice (ICJ), has now entered into its third month. Israel, in search of security, has in the past month bombed Yemen, Lebanon, Syria and Gaza. It is daily urging the US to be given permission to bomb Iran.

          Yeah the only new part is that they're looking to pick a direct fight with Iran. Own this shit already you pussies.

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          • powderhorn@beehaw.orgP [email protected]

            I have rather strong online hygiene myself and several Firefox add-ons such as NoScript, already behind Mullvad. The Guardian works fine for me. If you're locked down even harder, that's of course your choice, but it seems odd that you'd block cookies from a nonprofit.

            apotheotic@beehaw.orgA This user is from outside of this forum
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            Its not the nonprofit whose cookies I am worried about, it is their 135 133 partners. I'm also using no script and a hardened Firefox - perhaps you've just accepted the guardian's cookies?

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              The thing that pisses me off the most these days is Westerners thinking the "rules-based" order ever mattered. It's not in retreat because there were never rules protecting small states from oppression by stronger actors; it was just out of sight from Westerners until 2022.

              In Gaza the world has watched as a blockade on food, aid and medical supplies, in defiance of binding orders by the international court of justice (ICJ), has now entered into its third month. Israel, in search of security, has in the past month bombed Yemen, Lebanon, Syria and Gaza. It is daily urging the US to be given permission to bomb Iran.

              Yeah the only new part is that they're looking to pick a direct fight with Iran. Own this shit already you pussies.

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              You are wrong that it never mattered. It failed in some cases but in others it didn't. And it is always something that activists could embarrass governments with. In some countries, it is even something that can be used to force a government to do stuff. It is a political space and we'll miss it when it's gone.

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              • powderhorn@beehaw.orgP [email protected]

                I'm not going to say the story backs the hed. Nonetheless, this isn't what you want to read happening. Selecting the correct excerpt is usually an easy task.

                Here, it isn't.

                The full story should be read, but the best I can do is this:

                For the former US secretary of state Antony Blinken, Donald Trump’s indifference to alienating allies is an act of vandalism. He said diplomats around the world were asking: “What the fuck is going on?”

                Blinken said America had spent 80 years building up trust, strong economic partnerships and military and political alliances, and if that was then taken down in a matter of 100 days it would be incredibly hard to rebuild.

                “It means countries look for ways to work around us, to work together but without the US,” he said. “The possibility that what will be said today will be reversed tomorrow, and will be reversed again, means they simply cannot count on us. Joe Biden used to say it is never a good idea to bet against America. The problem we now have is people are no longer betting on America.”

                I don't think anyone is arguing that there's any remaining U.S. hegemony, but this is stark. Get ready for everything you've known about the postwar era to go away. What comes next? Likely not anything good.

                Seriously: Read the full piece. This is a five-alarm shitshow, and we're worrying about Barbie imports.

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                Starting the post with 'Blinken said this' or 'Blinken said that' is not exactly a great way to start because Blinken belongs in the Hague in chains for abetting crimes against humanity.

                Any other war criminals you'd like to quote in your intro OP?

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                  Starting the post with 'Blinken said this' or 'Blinken said that' is not exactly a great way to start because Blinken belongs in the Hague in chains for abetting crimes against humanity.

                  Any other war criminals you'd like to quote in your intro OP?

                  powderhorn@beehaw.orgP This user is from outside of this forum
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                  Committing thread necromancy a month in with an ad hominem is not exactly a great way to start because it violates Beehaw's community ethos.

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                  • powderhorn@beehaw.orgP [email protected]

                    Committing thread necromancy a month in with an ad hominem is not exactly a great way to start because it violates Beehaw's community ethos.

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                    Not an ad hom. Delivery and style of messaging is fair game in debates is it not, as long as I dont go after your character. As is questioning who you are quoting. If I opened a post quoting a different war criminal, say Hitler, Stalin, or Pol Pot, I'd expect someone would call that out, and I wouldnt cry "Ad hom! ad hom!, help! I'm being oppressed!"

                    And it came up in my feed. What can you do. There are no rules on "necro"ing are there? If there are please let me know, I will follow official rules.

                    I think you're just sore that I think quoting Blinken is .. problematic to put it mildly. Take my feedback or leave it, its all the same to me buddy.

                    I will say I think your trying to flex rules on me and claim an adhom is not very impressive. You can do better than that cant you? Why not try to defend your actual point instead?

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                      Not an ad hom. Delivery and style of messaging is fair game in debates is it not, as long as I dont go after your character. As is questioning who you are quoting. If I opened a post quoting a different war criminal, say Hitler, Stalin, or Pol Pot, I'd expect someone would call that out, and I wouldnt cry "Ad hom! ad hom!, help! I'm being oppressed!"

                      And it came up in my feed. What can you do. There are no rules on "necro"ing are there? If there are please let me know, I will follow official rules.

                      I think you're just sore that I think quoting Blinken is .. problematic to put it mildly. Take my feedback or leave it, its all the same to me buddy.

                      I will say I think your trying to flex rules on me and claim an adhom is not very impressive. You can do better than that cant you? Why not try to defend your actual point instead?

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                      I'd kindly remind you to look at the baseline expectation for this instance. You are not following it. Doubling down again here is not the right call.

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                      • powderhorn@beehaw.orgP [email protected]

                        I'd kindly remind you to look at the baseline expectation for this instance. You are not following it. Doubling down again here is not the right call.

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                        OK, well you know the drill Pete, report it, get a mod to study our exchange, and get it handled. I'm ready to be judged.

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                          OK, well you know the drill Pete, report it, get a mod to study our exchange, and get it handled. I'm ready to be judged.

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                          Do you really think I'm not a mod? I try to point newcomers toward the Beehaw ethos ahead of going to accusations.

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                            Do you really think I'm not a mod? I try to point newcomers toward the Beehaw ethos ahead of going to accusations.

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                            From what I can see you're a mod of a different community, not this one. This isnt "US news" where you are a mod, right? You are also not an admin for all of beehaw. So I dont see how you can claim the authority of being a mod in this exchange. I won't be coming to US news on beehaw where you actually are a mod.

                            So it seems to me that you and I are just two people talking.

                            Choose to escalate or dont. But after that how about you leave me alone and keep your supposed well meaning advice to yourself? Your supposed mod-edness and your opinion of Blinken dont interest me and you're just bullying.

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