'We Are Witnessing a New Brain Drain' as Scientists Flee America for France
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40..is not a lot
I personally know three people who are moving. All engineers. All queer.
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i thought it was just that if the country you’re in taxed you less than what the US would, then you have to pay the difference to the IRS?
… and there’s no way in hell the US taxes less
That’s correct. You’d have to be earning way, WAY over the average Swedish salary before you start owing the IRS anything. That said, I wouldn’t put it past Trump to remove the foreign earned income exclusion to coerce people into moving back to the US as part of the ”trade war” nonsense.
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I'd like to see numbers at scale. I don't see too many people taking pay cuts yet
Things will only get worse from here. Some people are more worried about being put in chamber then their paycheck.
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Can some of y’all flee to Canada instead?
We have French Canada if your dead set on speaking French.
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Isn't a large portion of housing owner by Chinese "investors" and just sitting empty? You may want to consider why your attention in on the immigrants.
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I'm doing my part fleeing to Sweden, granted I'm a programmer and game dev so not a scientist. I'm done letting the US profit off my skills though
Remember that your last place of residence in the US determines your voting residence while living abroad. If possible, move to a swing state (preferably with low population, and preferably in a swing district for local elections, too) long enough to establish residency before moving abroad. Plan ahead now and maximize the impact of your vote in the long run. Also register as a republican so you can vote in republican primaries (to vote for anyone who isn’t Trump), as well as making gerrymandering harder.
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We deserve this.
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Wdym? We already have Musk, Thiel, Zuckerberg, Horowitz, Yarvin, etc.
You just named a bunch of executives. The scientists are the people that need to be working for them for their companies to keep innovating. The scientists are the ones fleeing.
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Any recommendations on where to look? Specialized Sr Software Architect with a lot of Healthcare and Defense experience. I just need to be able to bring my family. Completely unconcerned about any amount of paycut. I just want my children to grow up safe. I've been looking at Ireland mainly, but open to any suggestions.
Canada? What's your background is the honest answer because if you can get some sort of naturalization through your parents it's the best bet.
Honest question though if YouTube has taught me anything it's that America is unique on if you leave you're still obligated to pay taxes to America and if your renounce your citizenship you're still obligated to pay America. Seriously the country is a racket.
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Wdym? We already have Musk, Thiel, Zuckerberg, Horowitz, Yarvin, etc.
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Back in 1945 you know how many people America took in who did any kind of scientific work. wernher von braun may be the most famous. That was just to insure that America would be leaders in the world. Now it doesn't seem America wants to have anything to do with leading the world in any field progresses humanity as a country.
Wernher Von Braun? This one?! Hahahah
Gather 'round while I sing you of Wernher von Braun
A man whose allegiance
Is ruled by expedience
Call him a Nazi, he won't even frown
"Ha, Nazi, Schmazi" says Wernher von BraunDon't say that he's hypocritical
Say rather that he's apolitical
"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?
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Can some of y’all flee to Canada instead?
We have French Canada if your dead set on speaking French.
I'd love to move to Canada. How can I find a job there?
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Reddit bitch ass comment
Je ne comprends pas l'anglais grossier
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I'm looking forward to hearing all the people that say raising taxes would lead to all the talented people leaving the country addressing this.*
Realistically I understand that they're all talentless lying bastard failsons that just wanted to make more passive income from their family's wealth and no journalist will ever challenge them on it.
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side note: Brain drain from an adversary is one of the reasons why the US completed the Manhattan Project faster. History repeating itself. Maybe this time around the fusion project is completed faster with the intention of long term peace without the need for deterrence.
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Aw shiz, now when it turns out US scientists don't know sciency stuff because hustle culture
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side note: Brain drain from an adversary is one of the reasons why the US completed the Manhattan Project faster. History repeating itself. Maybe this time around the fusion project is completed faster with the intention of long term peace without the need for deterrence.
First you gotta pitch that as a startup, why should I invest in this brain drain long term peace?
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I personally know three people who are moving. All engineers. All queer.
43 people is more than 40, but not a lot
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That's at a single university.
Which is the only one that the article mentioned as offering. Blame the article if you think the numbers are bigger and they didn't bother mentioning.
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40..is not a lot
This is the new flavor of lazy journalism. How many headlines do you see like "Senator X SLAMS so and so in a FURIOUS conversation" and then you click through and there's some mundane talk in congress. Or, "So and so has a MELTDOWN live in front of blah blah" and same thing. This article takes something that is probably not good (scientists leaving the US), picks a single example and then makes a case that this is generalized.
The way this makes me feel is that if I go to the ice cream stand and watch a child accidentally drop their ice cream, then go home and pen "ICE CREAMS being DROPPED all over the US! Can this happen to you?"
Basically, instead of real journalism we get clickbait. The linked article isn't the worst example of this, however, it's a trend that has frustrated me to no end.
