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'We Are Witnessing a New Brain Drain' as Scientists Flee America for France

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    Reddit bitch ass comment

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    Je ne comprends pas l'anglais grossier

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      I'm looking forward to hearing all the people that say raising taxes would lead to all the talented people leaving the country addressing this.*

      Realistically I understand that they're all talentless lying bastard failsons that just wanted to make more passive income from their family's wealth and no journalist will ever challenge them on it.

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        side note: Brain drain from an adversary is one of the reasons why the US completed the Manhattan Project faster. History repeating itself. Maybe this time around the fusion project is completed faster with the intention of long term peace without the need for deterrence.

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          Aw shiz, now when it turns out US scientists don't know sciency stuff because hustle culture

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            side note: Brain drain from an adversary is one of the reasons why the US completed the Manhattan Project faster. History repeating itself. Maybe this time around the fusion project is completed faster with the intention of long term peace without the need for deterrence.

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            First you gotta pitch that as a startup, why should I invest in this brain drain long term peace?

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              I personally know three people who are moving. All engineers. All queer.

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              43 people is more than 40, but not a lot

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              • theacharnian@lemmy.caT [email protected]

                That's at a single university.

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                Which is the only one that the article mentioned as offering. Blame the article if you think the numbers are bigger and they didn't bother mentioning.

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                  40..is not a lot

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                  This is the new flavor of lazy journalism. How many headlines do you see like "Senator X SLAMS so and so in a FURIOUS conversation" and then you click through and there's some mundane talk in congress. Or, "So and so has a MELTDOWN live in front of blah blah" and same thing. This article takes something that is probably not good (scientists leaving the US), picks a single example and then makes a case that this is generalized.

                  The way this makes me feel is that if I go to the ice cream stand and watch a child accidentally drop their ice cream, then go home and pen "ICE CREAMS being DROPPED all over the US! Can this happen to you?"

                  Basically, instead of real journalism we get clickbait. The linked article isn't the worst example of this, however, it's a trend that has frustrated me to no end.

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                    I'd love to move to Canada. How can I find a job there?

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                    The affordable housing is the more pressing problem.

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                      I suddenly like a lot of things about France.

                      I have a vps with OVH which is French, and pretty great.

                      I'll 100% sign up with eutel (?) satellite internet if it's ever available here.

                      I've also been using mistral l, a French LLM, to draft some documents lately.

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                      I’ll 100% sign up with eutel (?) satellite internet if it’s ever available here.

                      I'm just wondering, why? Do you not have any decent broadband options available?

                      Fiber's still going to be better than satellite, but obviously if you can't get fiber, satellite is probably better than aging copper.

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                        That’s correct. You’d have to be earning way, WAY over the average Swedish salary before you start owing the IRS anything. That said, I wouldn’t put it past Trump to remove the foreign earned income exclusion to coerce people into moving back to the US as part of the ”trade war” nonsense.

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                        wow yeah i hadn’t considered that

                        fucking ew

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                          Any recommendations on where to look? Specialized Sr Software Architect with a lot of Healthcare and Defense experience. I just need to be able to bring my family. Completely unconcerned about any amount of paycut. I just want my children to grow up safe. I've been looking at Ireland mainly, but open to any suggestions.

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                          If you can eventually get citizenship in on EU country, you can work in any of them.

                          Sr Software Architect? Generally speaking, Netherlands is going to be the best salary range for you and first 5 years I believe you can get a tax cut.

                          In Estonia, we have Milrem, which is doing military robotics. Not sure who, if anyone, is doing a decent healthcare solution. In my country the government orders new developments through RFPs rather than some single company making and selling a solution I believe.

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                            Things will only get worse from here. Some people are more worried about being put in chamber then their paycheck.

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                            I don't think most people are quite there yet. I'm not saying we couldn't be there 3 months from now. I just don't believe it's currently widespread.

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                              Nope don't do it. U will get MAGA. Be super careful vetting anything that loves trump and musk. I myself planning on retiring early. 45 yo software engineer. I will end up in SEA in next 4 years. Getting ready to sell all my investment property here. America is not going to last for too long.

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                              We're already getting MAGA, thanks to the internet. It's called far-right populism. Many of their takes are taken over from the X crazies 1:1. Sometimes they don't even fit our situation. No matter. Flooding the zone is all that counts.

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                                43 people is more than 40, but not a lot

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                                That's people I personally know. Not from academia or industry.

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                                  That is exactly what they want. They want us to literally live like dark age serfs while they live in opulent and highly technologically advanced palaces that cater to them.

                                  They don't just want everything. They want everyone else to have NOTHING. A billionaire in a chauffered Bently that costs 500,000 dollars definitely looks down on people driving Honda Civics that cost 20,000. But imagine if they were in that Bently and the people around them had no cars, and even a bicycle is a luxury, and whatever public transport that is available is prone to breakdown. Their ability to look down upon the serfs is much greater, which is what they want.

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                                  The issue is that technology advances with the whole, the internet/smartphones/gaming etc. All benefit from large populations being able to buy/engage with them.

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                                    Where you going to? I'm a data engineer living in Malmö. I can help you get settled if you're in Skåne

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                                    Depending where I may get accepted, I'm likely to end up in Umeå, Boden, or Skellefteå. So just a bit further north than Malmö 😅 I appreciate the offer though

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                                      Yeah I know but didn't want to assume. Some people have family roots for example.
                                      I do work with US colleagues and not all feel the need to move countries for example, which I find very interesting because it sure looks like a shit show to me. I'm not based in the US myself.

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                                      I was actually just starting to root here, for the first time in my life I felt like I could settle in somewhere. Then my polycyle imploded, lost most my friends, divorce, job is getting worse every day. Leaving the US has always been a dream of mine but I felt tied hereost the time. Losing my entire social circle created a convenient opening

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                                        The affordable housing is the more pressing problem.

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                                        how much worse is it than major metros in the empire?

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                                          Which is the only one that the article mentioned as offering. Blame the article if you think the numbers are bigger and they didn't bother mentioning.

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                                          You don't get my meaning. I'm saying, a single university established this policy, and is getting these results. It's a pilot project that proves the viability of the strategy, and sets an example that can be followed by many many others.

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