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'We Are Witnessing a New Brain Drain' as Scientists Flee America for France

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  • J [email protected]

    Makes me wonder where all that money is going?

    Scroll down to spending categories. Most money is spent on things like social security, medicare, veteran care, unemployment insurance, and health. Defense is 13% (and absolutely needs to be audited ASAP). Interest payments on debt is now 13% and growing fast. This is why it's important to at least reduce the deficit as fast as possible. Imagine how much good the government could do with another $400B each year without those interest payments. (well, maybe not this government, but the next one).

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    Since this shows spending since 2024 oct it would mostly relate to spending in the government before actually wouldn't it? I am more interested in what they are going to do with all the influx of money that will come from all the funding cuts that have happened in the last month or so.

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      CERN was originally going to be built in Texas. Texas turned it down because they couldn't see wasting all that money. It was the first time I ever heard Texas sayign something cost too much.

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      it just wasn’t big enough for texas…

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      • G [email protected]

        Can some of y’all flee to Canada instead?

        We have French Canada if your dead set on speaking French.

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        I 100% would but being “skilled labor” kinda ruins it. I am finding out that 15 years of nuclear instrumentation work doesn’t appear to help much, at least not according to what I have found. For now though I am stuck here dealing with the insanity of America’s downfall. New plan is to save all my money to spend abroad and in Canada when on vacation. Just embarrassing to be American now.

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        • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

          dude, as much as i'm anti-immigration, you're overdoing it, and also, your proposals are ineffective.

          in germany, for example, the population that immigrated since 2012 makes up approx. 3% of the total population. that means that the population is roughly 3% larger than it would be without that immigration.

          that is what you should be talking about. 3% larger population means higher workforce (supply of labor), and therefore lower wages (prices for labor). That is because the immigrants add almost no demand for labor (since they have a low buying power).

          Demand for labor is mainly driven by growth, and we've had two big waves of growth since 1800: Quantitative (industrialization) and qualitative (IT work). Since both of these two waves end their growth approx. now, the demand for labor goes down. There's no point in importing more labor force, it would only make the wages go down. That is what you have to talk about: the decreasing wages through the import of cheap labor. It's essentially wage-dumping in the own country. That is what the people should be talking about. Not racism. We're not better people than them, we just need to get the workforce smaller to drive the wages up.

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          This seems like a really bad take.

          Do take a look at the age pyramid @Miaou posted. Germany needs a lot of young people to herd its old people. German ministers flying to the Phillipines and Kenya and Brazil to find care workers -- that's for a reason! And dropping the birth rate lower does not mean more high-paying jobs, it means more low-paying care jobs in relation to total number of jobs.

          In addition there are a bunch of jobs that Germans don't really do anymore (plucking asparagus, slaughtering hogs, cleaning office buildings, ...) because they are badly paid hard labor which are however in some way useful to society.

          Granted, preventing migrants from taking bad jobs may mean that high-paying automation jobs open up. But that's the only silver lining. (Fwiw, Japan had a very strict immigration policy, because they figured that elderly care might be something easily accomplished with robot dogs and other gimmicks. It turns out though that that assumption was wrong. It also turns out that a lot of people from countries like Malaysia and the Phillipines would love to work in Japan, despite the racism. So Japan has adapted its policies on foreign labor somewhat now.)

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            The atmosphere is nearly perfect for an EU resurgence. American workers potentially willing to leave is only one piece of it. You also have interest in drawing together as a continent against a new shared enemy. Hell even Germany is ready to drop their spending limitations to actually try to rise to the occasion.

            I really wish they'd take it a step further and pump heavy investment into the region - and not just defense. Isn't it exactly the right time to build European industries to replace the American ones they are no longer sure they can trust?

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              CERN was originally going to be built in Texas. Texas turned it down because they couldn't see wasting all that money. It was the first time I ever heard Texas sayign something cost too much.

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              It was the SSC, and they started building it but the federal Congress killed it, signed by Bill Clinton. Texas funded 400 million of the 2 billion cost up to the cancellation. I believe it was sacrificed on the altar of balancing the national budget. Texas reluctance to continue funding it was a contributing factor yes, but pretty much no one wanted to keep paying for it.

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                Literally people that try to rip the US apart and privatize it.

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                The pinnacle of leadership in the field of enshittification.

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                  They don't care. At all. They would hoard it all for themselves and use as many common people as medical guinea pigs for medical experiments to prolong their own wretched existence, too. Imagine the average 'elite' living 20 or 30 years longer than the 'common' person. They would see more superior and like gods even though they fully well know it is entirely them killing their underlings.

                  Trump effectively orchestrated the fucked up response to the pandemic that resulted in 500,000 deaths. They knew that far more minorities would be harmed than whites. If you think they also ultimately care about their white underlings you are wrong.

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                  The point was, that isn't possible. If everyone is too poor to consume, their system stops, and they aren't rich anymore.

                  Long term, the snake is eating it's own tail. What happens when it gets to it's own head? It chokes to death (and scavengers pick over the corpse).

                  Either they're too stupid to know what happens at the end, or they're stupid enough to think they can jump off the ride with the loot before it crashes.

                  In neither scenario would I want to be living that close to the coming chaos.

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                    Depending where I may get accepted, I'm likely to end up in Umeå, Boden, or Skellefteå. So just a bit further north than Malmö 😅 I appreciate the offer though

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                    Oh that's nice; far up north. Hope you'll enjoy it up there! All the best and awesome you're choosing to come here!

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                      This French university made the news on scientific news sources a week or so ago when they announced this, I thought it was a fluke... glad to see they are getting applicants

                      Of course, I am fully aware that this is just one isolated case since US-based academics would never think of applying for European positions. Most US-based academics would never know resources such as EURAXESS which hosts many academic positions in Eurozone and beyond, or jobrxiv dot org which also includes lots of European academic positions. This is not mentioning country-specific resources such as when I was lurking on jobbnorge dot no for Norwegian jobs, and a personal communication I had with someone at University of Gothenburg who was literally asking me where to look for US-based postdoctoral applicants...

                      Anyway what was I saying

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                      • F [email protected]

                        The point was, that isn't possible. If everyone is too poor to consume, their system stops, and they aren't rich anymore.

                        Long term, the snake is eating it's own tail. What happens when it gets to it's own head? It chokes to death (and scavengers pick over the corpse).

                        Either they're too stupid to know what happens at the end, or they're stupid enough to think they can jump off the ride with the loot before it crashes.

                        In neither scenario would I want to be living that close to the coming chaos.

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                        Either they’re too stupid to know what happens at the end, or they’re stupid enough to think they can jump off the ride with the loot before it crashes.

                        Both. The answer is both. They really think they can survive environmental collapses. They would more than the average person... but not for very long.

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                          Either they’re too stupid to know what happens at the end, or they’re stupid enough to think they can jump off the ride with the loot before it crashes.

                          Both. The answer is both. They really think they can survive environmental collapses. They would more than the average person... but not for very long.

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                          About as long as is possible with the doors welded shut from outside, I guess.

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                          • B [email protected]

                            I’ll 100% sign up with eutel (?) satellite internet if it’s ever available here.

                            I'm just wondering, why? Do you not have any decent broadband options available?

                            Fiber's still going to be better than satellite, but obviously if you can't get fiber, satellite is probably better than aging copper.

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                            Yeah, at home we do have fiber.

                            I'd like it for my camper trailer. Something like an RV.

                            Here in Western Australia we have reasonably good 5G mobile coverage in cities and towns, but it's patchy outside of those areas.

                            Having satellite internet really opens up a whole lot of cool places you can set up to camp.

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                              It was the SSC, and they started building it but the federal Congress killed it, signed by Bill Clinton. Texas funded 400 million of the 2 billion cost up to the cancellation. I believe it was sacrificed on the altar of balancing the national budget. Texas reluctance to continue funding it was a contributing factor yes, but pretty much no one wanted to keep paying for it.

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                              I'll remove my comment

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                                I 100% would but being “skilled labor” kinda ruins it. I am finding out that 15 years of nuclear instrumentation work doesn’t appear to help much, at least not according to what I have found. For now though I am stuck here dealing with the insanity of America’s downfall. New plan is to save all my money to spend abroad and in Canada when on vacation. Just embarrassing to be American now.

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                                "Skilled labor" i.e. SEO (search-engine optimization)

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                                  how much worse is it than major metros in the empire?

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                                  I remember Vancouver area, all of it, spiking very fast and very hard a decade before the pandemic. I haven't kept up with the market in a couple years though, maybe it's gotten better?

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                                    The atmosphere is nearly perfect for an EU resurgence. American workers potentially willing to leave is only one piece of it. You also have interest in drawing together as a continent against a new shared enemy. Hell even Germany is ready to drop their spending limitations to actually try to rise to the occasion.

                                    I really wish they'd take it a step further and pump heavy investment into the region - and not just defense. Isn't it exactly the right time to build European industries to replace the American ones they are no longer sure they can trust?

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                                    So true! I especially hope the software industry will be a focus. That's where security and civilian life converge and Europe has the skilled labor to pull it off.

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                                      Well, the correct german word is to say 'Fachkräftemangel' which in my experience translates to 'We need someone with 20+ years of experience, that we can pay like an intern'

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                                      Couldn’t have said it better

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                                        How though. I don't mind working for cheap since I am almost retiring anyways. Need something to keep me busy if I don't have to stress about politics.

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                                        First big hurdle: speaking German.

                                        Second: ageism is a thing, even though it’s not legal to be one. They want someone that has 20 yoe who is 18 and is going to work 50 years for a dime for them

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                                          First big hurdle: speaking German.

                                          Second: ageism is a thing, even though it’s not legal to be one. They want someone that has 20 yoe who is 18 and is going to work 50 years for a dime for them

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                                          Yep that sucks. Likely SEA retirement then. Might just do meditation and learn machine learning.

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