At what (child's) age should parents let go?
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Asking because I just sat through a family feud within earshot at a local coffee joint. Parents giving advice to son, who looked 30ish, all quite civil, full of the 'can I speak for a minute', 'your minute is up' and so on, with some 'when we were your age' and 'you must/ will learn' etc. Mum ended with 'i don't have to justify anything to you'.
My dad stopped once I got out of high school, but mum seems to chime in from time to time. I'm well into my middle age.
When should parents stop parenting and just let the kid fail/ thrive on their own? I just feel sometimes the parents are the problem, regardless of good intentions.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Am Psych nurse.
Once walked in on a mother literally spoon-feeding a meal to a grownass approx. 30y/o man with 0 physical disabilities or cognitive deficits, just an uncomplicated depression with at most some mild personality disordered features.
It explained SO much about that patient presentation.
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Asking because I just sat through a family feud within earshot at a local coffee joint. Parents giving advice to son, who looked 30ish, all quite civil, full of the 'can I speak for a minute', 'your minute is up' and so on, with some 'when we were your age' and 'you must/ will learn' etc. Mum ended with 'i don't have to justify anything to you'.
My dad stopped once I got out of high school, but mum seems to chime in from time to time. I'm well into my middle age.
When should parents stop parenting and just let the kid fail/ thrive on their own? I just feel sometimes the parents are the problem, regardless of good intentions.
When the kid can stand on their own. Some never learn. Sometimes it's the parents' fault, sometimes the kid is missing something (some mental or physical or maybe psychological deficit).
When I was a kid, there came a time when I wanted as little to do with my folks as possible. I'd be out until just past dark ("when the streetlights come on" was the time we'd start heading home) and from a pretty young age. Like 9-10. We'd go for a mile or two, explore the world around us. Ride bikes to another neighborhood or (later) get on a county bus and go to another town. We didn't have cell phones, let alone pocket computers like kids have now.
I see kids as old as 8-10 still needing to cling to mommy's skirt or daddy's jeans. That could never have been us. And when they're not clinging to their parents, they're playing Minecraft or Fortnite or Roblox on a hand-me-down phone that doesn't call (and probably has its serial blocked for non-payment so it just works on WiFi) or a tablet. And I'm not generalizing. I know kids like this. Kids in my family are like this. I have no control over it. I've tried to tell them they should be out playing. They won't hear it. Family doesn't care. I'm the old man shouting at clouds. I imagine those kids will be living at home at 30 being told when to take a shower and when to go to bed. It's not just this generation, either. I have a couple aunts and an uncle (young Boomers/elder GenX) who were the same way. Minus the electronics, naturally.
Parents: Raise your kids to be independent, or they'll be your babies forever.
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When the kid can stand on their own. Some never learn. Sometimes it's the parents' fault, sometimes the kid is missing something (some mental or physical or maybe psychological deficit).
When I was a kid, there came a time when I wanted as little to do with my folks as possible. I'd be out until just past dark ("when the streetlights come on" was the time we'd start heading home) and from a pretty young age. Like 9-10. We'd go for a mile or two, explore the world around us. Ride bikes to another neighborhood or (later) get on a county bus and go to another town. We didn't have cell phones, let alone pocket computers like kids have now.
I see kids as old as 8-10 still needing to cling to mommy's skirt or daddy's jeans. That could never have been us. And when they're not clinging to their parents, they're playing Minecraft or Fortnite or Roblox on a hand-me-down phone that doesn't call (and probably has its serial blocked for non-payment so it just works on WiFi) or a tablet. And I'm not generalizing. I know kids like this. Kids in my family are like this. I have no control over it. I've tried to tell them they should be out playing. They won't hear it. Family doesn't care. I'm the old man shouting at clouds. I imagine those kids will be living at home at 30 being told when to take a shower and when to go to bed. It's not just this generation, either. I have a couple aunts and an uncle (young Boomers/elder GenX) who were the same way. Minus the electronics, naturally.
Parents: Raise your kids to be independent, or they'll be your babies forever.
Some parents want their kids to be their babies. It's a psychological thing, or an insecure about the (parents own) future thing.
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Asking because I just sat through a family feud within earshot at a local coffee joint. Parents giving advice to son, who looked 30ish, all quite civil, full of the 'can I speak for a minute', 'your minute is up' and so on, with some 'when we were your age' and 'you must/ will learn' etc. Mum ended with 'i don't have to justify anything to you'.
My dad stopped once I got out of high school, but mum seems to chime in from time to time. I'm well into my middle age.
When should parents stop parenting and just let the kid fail/ thrive on their own? I just feel sometimes the parents are the problem, regardless of good intentions.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I’m supporting my kids financially through their college years, so, for another 10-15 years. During that time, I get a say in the way they conduct themselves. I try to instill decent values, discipline, and stoke their own independence. But they are their own people and as they grow up, what I think will matter less to them. That’s fine. That’s normal. If they turn out to be assholes, I’ll attempt to intervene. If they start believing in weird bullshit, same. If they mistake their life of privilege for a lifelong entitlement, I will pull the rug out from under them. And if they’re doing good shit in life and need a hand, I’ll be there throughout my remaining years. By the time they’re 30, I hope they have their shit together and we see each other not just as family, but as friends. Lording over your kids until they’re adults is some bullshit. It’s the reason I have a dysfunctional relationship with my mother.
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Asking because I just sat through a family feud within earshot at a local coffee joint. Parents giving advice to son, who looked 30ish, all quite civil, full of the 'can I speak for a minute', 'your minute is up' and so on, with some 'when we were your age' and 'you must/ will learn' etc. Mum ended with 'i don't have to justify anything to you'.
My dad stopped once I got out of high school, but mum seems to chime in from time to time. I'm well into my middle age.
When should parents stop parenting and just let the kid fail/ thrive on their own? I just feel sometimes the parents are the problem, regardless of good intentions.
The answer is it depends….
This is the only thing I know about parenting, is that I didn’t know shit about parenting until I became one.
I just feel sometimes the parents are the problem, regardless of good intentions.
I agree with this. The hardest part about being a parent is doing what is needed, not what everyone wants.
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As a parent, our job is to prepare you to be an adult, and our involvement should gradually decrease over time.
As babies, you have no capacity for self-determination. You literally can't decide where you are or what you do. You're luggage that can scream.
As you get older you become capable of more, and as parents, we should be giving you more responsibility over the choices you make.
Here in the U.S., from a legal point of view, your parents are responsible for you up to the age 18. Regardless of how much freedom you're allowed before 18, your parents are on the hook for any damages.
At 18, that changes. Now you're legally an adult, and you are responsible for all your choices. However, your brain development is incomplete, and you haven't developed the ability to fully comprehend the future consequences of your actions.
From 18 to about 27, you should be making your own decisions, but your parents should be available for advice or rescue when you make a mistake. The idea is for you to make mistakes, but have the support to be able to learn from them.
From there, parents should continue to step back. Advice can always be given, but it is up to the child whether to take it, and as parents we have no say in what advice children follow.
Personally, I'll always be available to help any of my kids in any way I can. However, at this point my job is not to actually intervene until asked. I can, however, initiate the conversation when necessary.
Thanks for your well written input and perspective. I was sent away from an early age (13) for education. I went through the cycle of emotions, and while I had a guardian nearby, I gradually learned to be independent and now wouldn't trade the experience for anything in the world.
After that, college and moving out seemed like a easy, natural thing to do. Now I sometimes meet people in their mid 40s who have literally no life skills to speak of, can't manage finances or keep a home tidy, and are looking at marriage as a 'get out of jail free' card for the rest of their lives. I treasure my independence, but can't understand why people would prefer to be so cloistered and coddled. No, scratch that, it's obviously 'so much easier'.
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As a parent, our job is to prepare you to be an adult, and our involvement should gradually decrease over time.
As babies, you have no capacity for self-determination. You literally can't decide where you are or what you do. You're luggage that can scream.
As you get older you become capable of more, and as parents, we should be giving you more responsibility over the choices you make.
Here in the U.S., from a legal point of view, your parents are responsible for you up to the age 18. Regardless of how much freedom you're allowed before 18, your parents are on the hook for any damages.
At 18, that changes. Now you're legally an adult, and you are responsible for all your choices. However, your brain development is incomplete, and you haven't developed the ability to fully comprehend the future consequences of your actions.
From 18 to about 27, you should be making your own decisions, but your parents should be available for advice or rescue when you make a mistake. The idea is for you to make mistakes, but have the support to be able to learn from them.
From there, parents should continue to step back. Advice can always be given, but it is up to the child whether to take it, and as parents we have no say in what advice children follow.
Personally, I'll always be available to help any of my kids in any way I can. However, at this point my job is not to actually intervene until asked. I can, however, initiate the conversation when necessary.
This sounds very reasonable and I concur
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When the kid can stand on their own. Some never learn. Sometimes it's the parents' fault, sometimes the kid is missing something (some mental or physical or maybe psychological deficit).
When I was a kid, there came a time when I wanted as little to do with my folks as possible. I'd be out until just past dark ("when the streetlights come on" was the time we'd start heading home) and from a pretty young age. Like 9-10. We'd go for a mile or two, explore the world around us. Ride bikes to another neighborhood or (later) get on a county bus and go to another town. We didn't have cell phones, let alone pocket computers like kids have now.
I see kids as old as 8-10 still needing to cling to mommy's skirt or daddy's jeans. That could never have been us. And when they're not clinging to their parents, they're playing Minecraft or Fortnite or Roblox on a hand-me-down phone that doesn't call (and probably has its serial blocked for non-payment so it just works on WiFi) or a tablet. And I'm not generalizing. I know kids like this. Kids in my family are like this. I have no control over it. I've tried to tell them they should be out playing. They won't hear it. Family doesn't care. I'm the old man shouting at clouds. I imagine those kids will be living at home at 30 being told when to take a shower and when to go to bed. It's not just this generation, either. I have a couple aunts and an uncle (young Boomers/elder GenX) who were the same way. Minus the electronics, naturally.
Parents: Raise your kids to be independent, or they'll be your babies forever.
It's easy to say kids should be out playing, but where?
The place I grew up is unaffordable now to most even before adding the increased costs of children.
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I'm close to retirement and my Mom regularly tells me I shouldn't drink a beer after work so often because I might "turn into an alcoholic"
When I point out that I've been doing that for decades and I'm still not an alcoholic, she says "Oh yeah, you're all grown up now I guess..."You'll always be your parents' baby boy or girl. They'll stop being overly protective and giving advice to you when they pass away, and then you'll miss it.
I’ve been doing that for decades [...] still not an alcoholic
Hmmmmmmm
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It's easy to say kids should be out playing, but where?
The place I grew up is unaffordable now to most even before adding the increased costs of children.
It's easy to say kids should be out playing, but what's on the internet is more compelling, and while it's pretty suspicious, we don't even have good data on whether it makes much difference.
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I’ve been doing that for decades [...] still not an alcoholic
Hmmmmmmm
While definitions vary, and a medical definition would typically include something about effects on one's life and general health rather than just a quantity drunk, "a beer after work" every day would not typically qualify as alcoholism. For example, the USDA's thresholds are one drink per day for women, or two for men.
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As a parent, our job is to prepare you to be an adult, and our involvement should gradually decrease over time.
As babies, you have no capacity for self-determination. You literally can't decide where you are or what you do. You're luggage that can scream.
As you get older you become capable of more, and as parents, we should be giving you more responsibility over the choices you make.
Here in the U.S., from a legal point of view, your parents are responsible for you up to the age 18. Regardless of how much freedom you're allowed before 18, your parents are on the hook for any damages.
At 18, that changes. Now you're legally an adult, and you are responsible for all your choices. However, your brain development is incomplete, and you haven't developed the ability to fully comprehend the future consequences of your actions.
From 18 to about 27, you should be making your own decisions, but your parents should be available for advice or rescue when you make a mistake. The idea is for you to make mistakes, but have the support to be able to learn from them.
From there, parents should continue to step back. Advice can always be given, but it is up to the child whether to take it, and as parents we have no say in what advice children follow.
Personally, I'll always be available to help any of my kids in any way I can. However, at this point my job is not to actually intervene until asked. I can, however, initiate the conversation when necessary.
wrote last edited by [email protected]And then telling your child that everything they do that wasn't YOUR idea is making them a fuckup and that you just are trying to help them does wonders.
Then gasping when the child tells you to drop fucking dead and goes no contact and moves 3k miles away.
Note: this was all mostly unrelated to the comment aside from what you wrote triggered these thoughts.
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I’m supporting my kids financially through their college years, so, for another 10-15 years. During that time, I get a say in the way they conduct themselves. I try to instill decent values, discipline, and stoke their own independence. But they are their own people and as they grow up, what I think will matter less to them. That’s fine. That’s normal. If they turn out to be assholes, I’ll attempt to intervene. If they start believing in weird bullshit, same. If they mistake their life of privilege for a lifelong entitlement, I will pull the rug out from under them. And if they’re doing good shit in life and need a hand, I’ll be there throughout my remaining years. By the time they’re 30, I hope they have their shit together and we see each other not just as family, but as friends. Lording over your kids until they’re adults is some bullshit. It’s the reason I have a dysfunctional relationship with my mother.
I’m supporting my kids financially ... I get a say in the way they conduct themselves...
Okay, so this is an employment situation then. Youre treating them like "you act certain ways/do certain things because I give you money."
That's an employer, not a parent.
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Asking because I just sat through a family feud within earshot at a local coffee joint. Parents giving advice to son, who looked 30ish, all quite civil, full of the 'can I speak for a minute', 'your minute is up' and so on, with some 'when we were your age' and 'you must/ will learn' etc. Mum ended with 'i don't have to justify anything to you'.
My dad stopped once I got out of high school, but mum seems to chime in from time to time. I'm well into my middle age.
When should parents stop parenting and just let the kid fail/ thrive on their own? I just feel sometimes the parents are the problem, regardless of good intentions.
wrote last edited by [email protected]My parents will give advice if I ask for it. It's been that way since I was about 14 or 15. If they tried to treat me like you are describing, especially in public, I would shut it down.
The only time I can imagine them giving unsolicited advice would be if I were in a romantic relationship they thought was bad. I don't agree with a lot of their perspectives on relationships, but I would at least hear them out. They would have the good sense to do it in private though and would be able to explain their thoughts, no "I don't have to justify myself to you" nonsense.
I would say they were a little too uninvolved at times, but I would take that over the scenario you are describing with them over involved at 30+.
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I’m supporting my kids financially ... I get a say in the way they conduct themselves...
Okay, so this is an employment situation then. Youre treating them like "you act certain ways/do certain things because I give you money."
That's an employer, not a parent.
Shit take but that’s cool.
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Thanks for your well written input and perspective. I was sent away from an early age (13) for education. I went through the cycle of emotions, and while I had a guardian nearby, I gradually learned to be independent and now wouldn't trade the experience for anything in the world.
After that, college and moving out seemed like a easy, natural thing to do. Now I sometimes meet people in their mid 40s who have literally no life skills to speak of, can't manage finances or keep a home tidy, and are looking at marriage as a 'get out of jail free' card for the rest of their lives. I treasure my independence, but can't understand why people would prefer to be so cloistered and coddled. No, scratch that, it's obviously 'so much easier'.
I've definitely met people who were not raised to be independent of their parents. It sadly seems to often be the rule rather than the exception.
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And then telling your child that everything they do that wasn't YOUR idea is making them a fuckup and that you just are trying to help them does wonders.
Then gasping when the child tells you to drop fucking dead and goes no contact and moves 3k miles away.
Note: this was all mostly unrelated to the comment aside from what you wrote triggered these thoughts.
Yeah.
Generally my wife and I keep the, "oh crap is this going to be a shitshow" conversations between ourselves.
The only way the kids get a reaction beyond a raised eyebrow and an amused smile is if the fuck up in question is going to push the limits of my ability to fix.
If it goes beyond $1000, they might get a "what the fuck?!?" out of me, but it's more in the nature of a momentary loss of control and is really just what my body does while my brain is trying to figure out how to cover it. However, if they fucked up, they already know it. If they fucked up by ignoring my advice, they know that too. There's no need to rehash it.
Generally, the biggest problem I have is they want to be independent, so they tend to try to keep their problems to themselves until they grow too big to deal with.
If you ask my mom, she'd say I do the same thing.
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Asking because I just sat through a family feud within earshot at a local coffee joint. Parents giving advice to son, who looked 30ish, all quite civil, full of the 'can I speak for a minute', 'your minute is up' and so on, with some 'when we were your age' and 'you must/ will learn' etc. Mum ended with 'i don't have to justify anything to you'.
My dad stopped once I got out of high school, but mum seems to chime in from time to time. I'm well into my middle age.
When should parents stop parenting and just let the kid fail/ thrive on their own? I just feel sometimes the parents are the problem, regardless of good intentions.
I‘m 30 and my parents give me unwanted advice all the time.
I’m very rebellious about it since it never went away.
And a lot of times when I listened to them it turned out to be bad.They’re also constantly judging my financial decisions, despite them only having money saved due to recent inheritance.
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I‘m 30 and my parents give me unwanted advice all the time.
I’m very rebellious about it since it never went away.
And a lot of times when I listened to them it turned out to be bad.They’re also constantly judging my financial decisions, despite them only having money saved due to recent inheritance.
Don't know anything about your situation but seeing it at face value for other readers.... your parents giving advice on how to do something when they failed isn't necessarily bad advice. We learn by our mistakes. Why not learn from theirs.
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Asking because I just sat through a family feud within earshot at a local coffee joint. Parents giving advice to son, who looked 30ish, all quite civil, full of the 'can I speak for a minute', 'your minute is up' and so on, with some 'when we were your age' and 'you must/ will learn' etc. Mum ended with 'i don't have to justify anything to you'.
My dad stopped once I got out of high school, but mum seems to chime in from time to time. I'm well into my middle age.
When should parents stop parenting and just let the kid fail/ thrive on their own? I just feel sometimes the parents are the problem, regardless of good intentions.
Never.
You're supposed to love and protect your kids as long as possible.
