At what (child's) age should parents let go?
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I’m supporting my kids financially ... I get a say in the way they conduct themselves...
Okay, so this is an employment situation then. Youre treating them like "you act certain ways/do certain things because I give you money."
That's an employer, not a parent.
Shit take but that’s cool.
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Thanks for your well written input and perspective. I was sent away from an early age (13) for education. I went through the cycle of emotions, and while I had a guardian nearby, I gradually learned to be independent and now wouldn't trade the experience for anything in the world.
After that, college and moving out seemed like a easy, natural thing to do. Now I sometimes meet people in their mid 40s who have literally no life skills to speak of, can't manage finances or keep a home tidy, and are looking at marriage as a 'get out of jail free' card for the rest of their lives. I treasure my independence, but can't understand why people would prefer to be so cloistered and coddled. No, scratch that, it's obviously 'so much easier'.
I've definitely met people who were not raised to be independent of their parents. It sadly seems to often be the rule rather than the exception.
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And then telling your child that everything they do that wasn't YOUR idea is making them a fuckup and that you just are trying to help them does wonders.
Then gasping when the child tells you to drop fucking dead and goes no contact and moves 3k miles away.
Note: this was all mostly unrelated to the comment aside from what you wrote triggered these thoughts.
Yeah.
Generally my wife and I keep the, "oh crap is this going to be a shitshow" conversations between ourselves.
The only way the kids get a reaction beyond a raised eyebrow and an amused smile is if the fuck up in question is going to push the limits of my ability to fix.
If it goes beyond $1000, they might get a "what the fuck?!?" out of me, but it's more in the nature of a momentary loss of control and is really just what my body does while my brain is trying to figure out how to cover it. However, if they fucked up, they already know it. If they fucked up by ignoring my advice, they know that too. There's no need to rehash it.
Generally, the biggest problem I have is they want to be independent, so they tend to try to keep their problems to themselves until they grow too big to deal with.
If you ask my mom, she'd say I do the same thing.
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Asking because I just sat through a family feud within earshot at a local coffee joint. Parents giving advice to son, who looked 30ish, all quite civil, full of the 'can I speak for a minute', 'your minute is up' and so on, with some 'when we were your age' and 'you must/ will learn' etc. Mum ended with 'i don't have to justify anything to you'.
My dad stopped once I got out of high school, but mum seems to chime in from time to time. I'm well into my middle age.
When should parents stop parenting and just let the kid fail/ thrive on their own? I just feel sometimes the parents are the problem, regardless of good intentions.
I‘m 30 and my parents give me unwanted advice all the time.
I’m very rebellious about it since it never went away.
And a lot of times when I listened to them it turned out to be bad.They’re also constantly judging my financial decisions, despite them only having money saved due to recent inheritance.
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I‘m 30 and my parents give me unwanted advice all the time.
I’m very rebellious about it since it never went away.
And a lot of times when I listened to them it turned out to be bad.They’re also constantly judging my financial decisions, despite them only having money saved due to recent inheritance.
Don't know anything about your situation but seeing it at face value for other readers.... your parents giving advice on how to do something when they failed isn't necessarily bad advice. We learn by our mistakes. Why not learn from theirs.
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Asking because I just sat through a family feud within earshot at a local coffee joint. Parents giving advice to son, who looked 30ish, all quite civil, full of the 'can I speak for a minute', 'your minute is up' and so on, with some 'when we were your age' and 'you must/ will learn' etc. Mum ended with 'i don't have to justify anything to you'.
My dad stopped once I got out of high school, but mum seems to chime in from time to time. I'm well into my middle age.
When should parents stop parenting and just let the kid fail/ thrive on their own? I just feel sometimes the parents are the problem, regardless of good intentions.
Never.
You're supposed to love and protect your kids as long as possible.
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Asking because I just sat through a family feud within earshot at a local coffee joint. Parents giving advice to son, who looked 30ish, all quite civil, full of the 'can I speak for a minute', 'your minute is up' and so on, with some 'when we were your age' and 'you must/ will learn' etc. Mum ended with 'i don't have to justify anything to you'.
My dad stopped once I got out of high school, but mum seems to chime in from time to time. I'm well into my middle age.
When should parents stop parenting and just let the kid fail/ thrive on their own? I just feel sometimes the parents are the problem, regardless of good intentions.
You should have instilled enough simple lessons in your child that in preteen to teen years they can operate on their own with guidance. You are a parent and you will always be their parents but you change from a teacher to live in guidance counselor to an older friend who is looking out for you when you are an adult.
I find parents have trouble switching between authoritarian teacher owner to friendly helpful roommates.
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Asking because I just sat through a family feud within earshot at a local coffee joint. Parents giving advice to son, who looked 30ish, all quite civil, full of the 'can I speak for a minute', 'your minute is up' and so on, with some 'when we were your age' and 'you must/ will learn' etc. Mum ended with 'i don't have to justify anything to you'.
My dad stopped once I got out of high school, but mum seems to chime in from time to time. I'm well into my middle age.
When should parents stop parenting and just let the kid fail/ thrive on their own? I just feel sometimes the parents are the problem, regardless of good intentions.
Don't become parents.
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Asking because I just sat through a family feud within earshot at a local coffee joint. Parents giving advice to son, who looked 30ish, all quite civil, full of the 'can I speak for a minute', 'your minute is up' and so on, with some 'when we were your age' and 'you must/ will learn' etc. Mum ended with 'i don't have to justify anything to you'.
My dad stopped once I got out of high school, but mum seems to chime in from time to time. I'm well into my middle age.
When should parents stop parenting and just let the kid fail/ thrive on their own? I just feel sometimes the parents are the problem, regardless of good intentions.
When should parents stop parenting and teaching their children? Never - they’re parents. That’s the job.
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Never.
You're supposed to love and protect your kids as long as possible.
Not to the degree in OP's post. If your kids are 30 and you're dictating what they should do without any input from them, that's a problem.
Whem your kids are adults, you don't get to make decisions for them anymore. You can give guidance and advice, but you don't get to decide what they do
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As a parent, our job is to prepare you to be an adult, and our involvement should gradually decrease over time.
As babies, you have no capacity for self-determination. You literally can't decide where you are or what you do. You're luggage that can scream.
As you get older you become capable of more, and as parents, we should be giving you more responsibility over the choices you make.
Here in the U.S., from a legal point of view, your parents are responsible for you up to the age 18. Regardless of how much freedom you're allowed before 18, your parents are on the hook for any damages.
At 18, that changes. Now you're legally an adult, and you are responsible for all your choices. However, your brain development is incomplete, and you haven't developed the ability to fully comprehend the future consequences of your actions.
From 18 to about 27, you should be making your own decisions, but your parents should be available for advice or rescue when you make a mistake. The idea is for you to make mistakes, but have the support to be able to learn from them.
From there, parents should continue to step back. Advice can always be given, but it is up to the child whether to take it, and as parents we have no say in what advice children follow.
Personally, I'll always be available to help any of my kids in any way I can. However, at this point my job is not to actually intervene until asked. I can, however, initiate the conversation when necessary.
Spot on. Great post.
Unfortunately many disagree as they are advocating for and celebrating children as young as 4-5 having autonomy and being able to make life long permanent decisions, with teachers etc being told to withhold info from parents and affirm whatever they want. Governments the world over are trying to take parental rights and control away because it’s much easier to control and mould kids when they’re young. Make them government dependant as early as possible and you have nice easily controlled voters for life.
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I've definitely met people who were not raised to be independent of their parents. It sadly seems to often be the rule rather than the exception.
I think that is a side effect of living at home with your parents for longer, something that is becoming more and more common with the unsustainable cost of living.
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Not to the degree in OP's post. If your kids are 30 and you're dictating what they should do without any input from them, that's a problem.
Whem your kids are adults, you don't get to make decisions for them anymore. You can give guidance and advice, but you don't get to decide what they do
There's a huge difference between loving your kid and giving them unsolicited advice, which is what it sounds like was happening in OP's post.
I love my kids, and always will. And I'll help them however I can. But I'm already checking myself if they push back against any advice I'm giving - if they don't want to hear it, they won't hear it; whether I speak it or not!
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Asking because I just sat through a family feud within earshot at a local coffee joint. Parents giving advice to son, who looked 30ish, all quite civil, full of the 'can I speak for a minute', 'your minute is up' and so on, with some 'when we were your age' and 'you must/ will learn' etc. Mum ended with 'i don't have to justify anything to you'.
My dad stopped once I got out of high school, but mum seems to chime in from time to time. I'm well into my middle age.
When should parents stop parenting and just let the kid fail/ thrive on their own? I just feel sometimes the parents are the problem, regardless of good intentions.
Dude americans have a weird thing about "leting children go" right after high school. I was 17yo when I finished high school, I was still a minor. Also why?! Care to love the kids YOU wanted to have wtf?! When I divorced my ex my parents asked me to come home and they wouldn't let me go, even after a while, just becaus "it's so good to have you home". Lov mom
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I think that is a side effect of living at home with your parents for longer, something that is becoming more and more common with the unsustainable cost of living.
In my experience, it doesn't have anything to do with kids living at home longer.
It's more related to the issues of the parents. Control issues, lack of purpose, lack of independence on the part of the parents.
Some parents just fail to prepare their kids for life. All of my kids had roommates in college who didn't know how to do laundry, or cook food, or clean up after themselves.
Other parents go out of their way to keep their children dependent on them. I think that is usually because the parents don't know what to do with their lives if their kids move on.
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Spot on. Great post.
Unfortunately many disagree as they are advocating for and celebrating children as young as 4-5 having autonomy and being able to make life long permanent decisions, with teachers etc being told to withhold info from parents and affirm whatever they want. Governments the world over are trying to take parental rights and control away because it’s much easier to control and mould kids when they’re young. Make them government dependant as early as possible and you have nice easily controlled voters for life.
Uh... Ok.
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Dude americans have a weird thing about "leting children go" right after high school. I was 17yo when I finished high school, I was still a minor. Also why?! Care to love the kids YOU wanted to have wtf?! When I divorced my ex my parents asked me to come home and they wouldn't let me go, even after a while, just becaus "it's so good to have you home". Lov mom
True. I'm asian and have some of the family thing, but i studied in the us, so used to be very impressed how they can up and go to cities across the country for college and work. They express family love differently, though, and are allowed to have contrary opinions to the family which is often frowned upon in Asia. Oh, and family hierarchy is also handled differently. I always got the sense that the kids would happily throw down with the dad if it came to it, whereas in Asia its more a reluctant compliance.
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You should have instilled enough simple lessons in your child that in preteen to teen years they can operate on their own with guidance. You are a parent and you will always be their parents but you change from a teacher to live in guidance counselor to an older friend who is looking out for you when you are an adult.
I find parents have trouble switching between authoritarian teacher owner to friendly helpful roommates.
Hahaha. I have both. My dad died my close friend, while mum is still my mum.
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Never.
You're supposed to love and protect your kids as long as possible.
I think at some point you need to stop barricading them from the dangers and learn to just let them fall, while helping them get up again. It teaches them the value of the rules you've been trying to impart, while still being a protector.
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I‘m 30 and my parents give me unwanted advice all the time.
I’m very rebellious about it since it never went away.
And a lot of times when I listened to them it turned out to be bad.They’re also constantly judging my financial decisions, despite them only having money saved due to recent inheritance.
Right? I feel the parents who don't let go just create resentment and active rebellion against their unsolicited advice.
