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Trump demands Iran’s ‘unconditional surrender’ and says US won’t kill supreme leader ‘for now’ – latest updates

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  • R [email protected]

    He'll get servicemen killed. It won't be funny.

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    Their fault for refusing to disobey illegal orders.

    Their fault for not deposing the fucking scum that America allowed in.

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    • Z [email protected]

      I thought Reagan started all this? Or Nixon? If only we could agree (not that this matters literally at all at this point) in who actually started us down the path of fascism. It's so hard to keep the demagogues in order these days...

      Or we could just agree that shit's fucked and we need to do something about it without trying to point fingers or blame on any specific person in the last 60 years who is already dead and long gone.

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      Americans are just fucking stupid. I'm in the South and just bought a gun because the KKK originated within 30 min of me, and statistically, half my neighbors are nuts. I'm not sure if someone will not kill me on a daily basis. This country is unsafe for some people. I'm white, a citizen, and from the South too, and I'm still scared.

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      • R [email protected]

        Remember that Iran is still controlled by an extremist religious regime they are ready to die. They will never surrender

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        #39

        The US is controlled by an extremist religious regime that I think actually wants to die to start their rapture. God, what a shit show. There should be a continent where the rest of us can just go live in peace while these assholes kill each other and hate minorities.

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        • miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.comM [email protected]
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          It is so strange, according to him the US is not in this fight ... but Iran has to surrender?

          And then what? This is as clueless as was the "democratization" of Iraq.
          If Iran surrenders, (to the US? to Israel?) what happens?

          Will just the religious leadership be arrested?
          Tried and banished to an island near Antarctica?
          Will the populace just shrug and embrace a democracy?
          Will Iranians get to see peace within a year? Or will we see a second Afghanistan rise up that falls in the same pit of oppression within 10 years?
          Should Iran give up all its nuclear and military material, go oil only and be a vassal state of Israel or the US?

          Will there be no one anymore who gives Israel the evil eye? Or is given the evil eye by them?

          Somehow I doubt if Iran would surrender or was conquered that Israel would demilitarize itself...

          Nor do I think the religious caste will EVER give up their power flowing through Iran, though Qatar is vying to become a replacement nozzle.

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          • Y [email protected]

            So he's threatening political assassination now?

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            He thinks by killing the Ayatollah it will all be over .... quite naive imo.

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              Non-participant making demands. Sounds like what he was doing to the Ukrainians.

              Trump's a vulture. Let someone else kill it, then feast on the rotting carcass.

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              • Y [email protected]

                So he's threatening political assassination now?

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                Remember the Iranian general he vaporized in his first term? Pigboy's got form.

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                • B [email protected]

                  This isn’t the US’ war, why would Trump be making any demands?

                  Edit: I just saw that Trump has posted that the US is involved directly with the war.

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                  I just saw that Trump has posted that the US is involved directly with the war.

                  That means the US is not involved directly with the war.

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                  • F [email protected]

                    Well, considering he's had a hard on for nuking Iran since before he was elected the first time...I didn't think he cares.

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                    "But he kept us out of war!!!"

                    Fucking idiots.

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                    • Y [email protected]

                      The US has had air supremacy in every conflict it has been in for a long time and it hasn’t won a single one of them. It would topple the Iranian regime with a ground invasion, but air strikes won’t do that. And the US would certainly lose an insurgent war just like it did everywhere else.

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                      Air supremacy, on its own, doesn't win wars. It does, however, lead to massive civilian casualties.

                      So now the Iranian people will bleed because someone wants the imams gone, just like most of the Iranian people do.

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                      • Y [email protected]

                        Given that the regime has been around for fifty years, I really doubt that killing the head of state would destroy the state. They have a much deeper bench than that I would assume

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                        The Ba'ath Party was in for almost that long in Iraq. It didn't help them.

                        Though the Iranian theocracy has more rule by committee, so they're probably more resilient than a paranoid one-man dictatorship.

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                        • T [email protected]

                          The Iranian regime are a bunch of cunts but they’ll never surrender. They’ll throw their kids to the wolves before they surrender.

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                          That allows the US to justify their war crimes by saying it’s their fault

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                          • Y [email protected]

                            Given that the regime has been around for fifty years, I really doubt that killing the head of state would destroy the state. They have a much deeper bench than that I would assume

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                            They also have decent records of relevant political figures which are in no doubt in the hands of the US.

                            Seriously, the nazis were able to compile lists of political enemies (suspected to be) in Brtiain 85 years ago.

                            It's not a stretch to suggest the US knows exactly who is relevant to keeping the regime alive, whom to imprison and whom to kill.

                            Collapsing a nation is far easier than establishing a new one after all.

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                            • P [email protected]

                              Non-participant making demands. Sounds like what he was doing to the Ukrainians.

                              Trump's a vulture. Let someone else kill it, then feast on the rotting carcass.

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                              He's a paper tiger. He won't commit troops as he's still a draft dodger, afraid of confrontation.

                              He will chicken out eventually.

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