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Duckstation(one of the most popular PS1 Emulators) dev plans on eventually dropping Linux support due to Linux users, especially Arch Linux users.

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  • funnyusername@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

    this developer is a big prick. i had an issue (that turned out to be user error after getting help from another source) with the android version of duckstation so went to their discord for support. instead of offering any aid or insight, i was immediately stereotyped as "an android user" and told "we don't offer tech support for android" basically for no other reason than "because android users bitch too much and then give you a bad review," which is just kind of insane imo? there's no downside to bad reviews like you're not going to get delisted? anyways, completely not surprised to hear this from that ass. it genuinely seems like this guy hates developing duckstation at all and i am confused why he bothers. give it up man, sounds like you'll be happier

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    Sounds like hes just tired of dealing with idiots.

    Which I can sympathise with.

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      He changed the license so no one can legally help him. He kind of put himself in this position. And very likely did so illegally

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      OK I didn't know that, stupid move on his part then...
      What do you mean by likely illegally?

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      • burgerbaron@piefed.socialB [email protected]

        I hate TwinAphex's guts so I won't use Retroarch/Libretro.

        I got mednafen standalone for PS1.

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        Is TwinAphex still involved in Libretro? Can't seem to find evidence of them from the last few years.

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          Dev here who also happens to support Linux, and while Linux has its own challenges (whoever came up with the libevdev API, should not allowed to come up with any other API's), I think it's good to support Linux natively regardless. GNOME devs however should stop forcing their UX ideas onto others sometimes even outside of Linux. One of them when I was asking about how to I make the Alt key on Windows to stop it trying to open the nonexistent menu bar, then they told me to "just add one". I'm developing games, not just desktop apps, where the alt key isn't expected to open a menu bar. I then got told that it's "expected behavior" (Hungarian here, I'd like to expect that both alt keys are for accessing a second set of gliphs, and one of them isn't a dedicated "menu key"), and that games like Unreal Tournament "did it already" (that one used the escape key for menus).

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          One of them when I was asking about how to I make the Alt key on Windows to stop it trying to open the nonexistent menu bar, then they told me to “just add one”.

          FYI - if you haven't figured this out already (and useful info for other Win32 devs), simply block WM_SYSCOMMAND in your WndProc of your app if the pressed key is SC_KEYMENU.

          I've done this for a game mod I'm developing (it didn't have windowed mode originally) and I specifically blocked it only during active gameplay. Otherwise (e.g. during menus) it can be pretty useful to keep active.

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            Commit.

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            As someone who used to use arch for years, I can't stand its users who go around acting like running it is some herculean task that takes serious knowledge.

            In reality its not much more than a misbehaved pet that requires constant attention and a blog post to be read every month or so. Not because its hard, but because its updates are just kinda slapped together and tossed out in the name of speed.

            One of the biggest indicators of this is the AUR. For what it was worth, the Gentoo crowd it replaced at least knew how to compile a program.

            Maybe learn to use git, tar, and make like literally anyone else on any other fucking distro.

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              Yeah, PS2 is standalone business still. And in its defense, PCSX2 is super user friendly as a standalone package and supports most of the shared stuff you'd want from Retroarch anyway.

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              • a_random_idiot@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                No, Maintainer comes off as pissed off for dealing with a lot of headaches created by others creating a version he doesnt support, and doesnt want, yet is dealing with all the backlash and headache of.

                and to try to stem the tide, he created a package just for those people.. and they refuse to use it, continuing to use the broken version, and bombarding him with headaches over something that he, again, does not control.

                Only liars would say they wouldnt be pissed off dealing with such a situation.

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                While I understand and respect his feeling, in my limited experience, people that don't like when distributions package their software are often deranged.

                Still, if you are using OS packages, your first stop should be OS fora / bug trackers, not upstream. Whoever is producing the distro/OS packages should engage with upstream if and when that's necessary. Upstream, especially small upstreams, really shouldn't be expected to deal with the craziness of Nix, Arch, Debian, and SteamOS all at the same time.

                Users are, IME, mostly annoying. Sometimes (not often) I'm glad none of my software has any. At least at work I can point at the Teams / Slack / Jira conversation to prove they specifically asked for something completely different last week and I implemented that.

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                • zarkanian@sh.itjust.worksZ [email protected]

                  You know, you don't need to censor yourself on here. I don't think anybody's going to be offended if you just write "shit" or "asshole".

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                  I thought they said ahunter2.

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                  • jackbydev@programming.devJ [email protected]

                    ~11 months ago they relicensed from GPL 3 to CC BY-NC-ND.

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                    Oh. Time for a fork. -ND variants are not Free Software / Open Source.

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                      Too many FOSS users are toxicly entitled... It ruins things for everyone.

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                      It's more than just FOSS users. It's "The Internet" in general. At least two of the modding scenes I've been in have had multiple developers (and artists and translators) just quit due to their users aggressively complaining about the stuff they give away for free.

                      Of course, it doesn't get that much better when people have to pay for things -- ask customer service representatives how much toxicity they see from unsatisfied customers.

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                        No, but carrying the grudge this long and vocally leaves me to wonder if the story is as crisp as put forth.

                        And FOSS die hards put many people off of lemmy early on.

                        Seek? Yes. Expect? No.

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                        You are the only one here carrying on a grudge and being vocal about it.

                        Are you a big fan of FOSS? How much are you going to support FOSS developers today hmmm?

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                          That's not how AUR works, it builds from source using instructions, it's not repackaging at all

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                          The point is that someone posted this guy’s project to the AUR with a badly written PKGBUILD and it was failing to build. This led to him getting tons of support requests which he could not help with since he doesn’t control that AUR build.

                          He also couldn’t get it removed from AUR without giving the admins his personal information. Completely understandable given the history of console companies going after emulator developers. The guy has been doxxed and seems close to being run right out of the open source community by a bunch of zealots.

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                            OK I didn't know that, stupid move on his part then...
                            What do you mean by likely illegally?

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                            Not a license expert but he changed the license to a more restricted one but did not ask contributors which the previous license may have required.

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                              Oh. Time for a fork. -ND variants are not Free Software / Open Source.

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                              Having read a lot of the thread it sounds like that's sort of what's going on with the version on the AUR. Sounds like it is the old GPL v3 version and the dev doesn't wanna put the new CC BY-NC-ND version on the AUR themselves because they don't want to make an account there (understandable, not saying they should have to).

                              The whole situation is sort of sad, but ultimately devs working on free (as in money, I now -ND is not libre) software need to do what they need to do to remain sane. If it's a CC BY-NC-ND emulator without Linux support versus no emulator at all I think we'd all want the first.

                              I hope this thread can be an eye opener for folks to remember to treat volunteer devs with respect. (Not implying anyone here was part of the problem.)

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                              • mitm0@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                                Let me add to context:

                                This developer hates the FOSS spirit & tells users to fuck off when they complain. There, done.

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                                He took an open source project and made it source available. I don't blame people for being upset.

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                                  The answer for this guy and other people stretched by supporting Linux is to say it's flatpak or nothing. Stop trying to build for each dist because it's not sustainable. If someone on a dist wants to maintain a package then let them take the heat if it is broken.

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                                  I use the Duckstation flatpak funny enough

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                                  • anyoldname3@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                                    The licence doesn't permit derivative works, so no forks and no downstream packages.

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                                    True but there is a workaround: a patchset to a specific upstream git commit and local compilation. Pretty much what PKGBUILD already does. LAME was developed this way for years. It was a patchset to reference source code under a nonfree license.

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                                    • A [email protected]

                                      He's not obligated to provide that support. But the tone sure makes it seem expected.

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                                      And android users are not obligated to give a good review after not receiving support.

                                      I have no problem with his actions, (if he doesn’t have the resources/energy/time to support on all platforms, who can complain about that?), but I don’t think he’s very good at the whole communicating with other humans part of software that sadly in the OSS world tends to fall on the same devs that do the work, he could have avoided both this comment thread and the angry android user above with zero extra effort by simply phrasing things better.

                                      The particular poor phrasing he chose seems to imply to me that he’s lumping all users of each platform together in his head, and each negative interaction builds on the previous, which isn’t the healthiest attitude, and does indeed make him look like an arsehole to anyone who’s just turned up and hasn’t yet done anything wrong.

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                                        You're right, the license is Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 (weird choice for a code license, but OK)

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                                        CC4.0 licenses work for code. The language was made generic and no longer talks about performing music on stage and such.

                                        Better to use CC NC for non commercial works than to homebrew your own text. CC BY and CC BY SA are GPLv3 compatible.

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                                        • S [email protected]

                                          It's probably not, unless all contributors agreed to the license change.

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                                          AFAIK they did.

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