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Duckstation(one of the most popular PS1 Emulators) dev plans on eventually dropping Linux support due to Linux users, especially Arch Linux users.

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    itt: a bunch of entitled Linux youths that don't understand burnout or QOL.

    dude has set a limit to what he wants or is willing to do. still gets called a bitch for defining the line and is still called an asshole.

    some of y'all even bring up multiple cases of other foss devs doing/saying the same thing, continue to call them assholes.

    🤔 There's a pattern here...but I'm just too blinded by the brilliancy of my distro to see it...

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    Seriously, this thread is honestly vile and these people are a perfect example as to why this is happening.

    How they are this blind to their own toxicity is beyond me

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      While users can be demanding, this reads like a very immature response. Going out of your way to block support and prohibit packaging, which you can let others do with 0 seconds of your time, is kinda rude.

      Author may have been harassed for all I know, but this is still an emotional response. They could have just said "yeah I'm not supporting this at all, figure it out yourselves if you want to" rather than actively blocking Linux functionality/packaging, which is what this sounds like.

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      Sometimes external packaging is a huge issue for certain projects, where their support gets flooded with stuff that isn’t in their control and their reputation gets tanked.

      …That being said, a PS1 emulator doesn’t seem so extreme to warrant that?

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      • paraphrand@lemmy.worldP [email protected]

        After being on Lemmy, I have some kneejerk sympathy.

        Seems harsh though.

        [edit: I rescind my harsh comment. It was a classic didn’t read the article situation along with just wanting to mock arch dorks without starting a fight.

        So instead: Stop being toxic and demanding arch users! I don’t care if the title is misleading or editorialized or totally false.]

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        Dude just stated how much of his free time he is willing to provide to others for free and put a line on what he is willing to commit.

        And somehow this thread thinks that's harsh or petty?

        Is literally any person complaining about this guy setting reasonable boundaries paying him money to do this work?

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        • S [email protected]

          Well, it's typical of FOSS users. Personally, I believe it's because we're so conditioned to capitalism and paying for stuff ðat when shit breaks we get indignant wiÞout consideration is ðe fact ðat it is free software.

          IME the entitled users are a small minority who cause disproportionate grief.

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          Regardless of the content of your comment, I respect bringing back eth and thorn.

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          • woelkchen@lemmy.worldW [email protected]

            Is there a specific interaction that made them angry?

            Stenzek's feeling got hurt when DuckStation was still proper open source software and people used the software fully in accordance with its license, i.e. they distributed modifications and not all permitted modifications were the most polished ones, so he felt that they give his name a bad reputation. Again: Stenzek released DuckStation under a license that explicitly allows this.

            So he rage quit open source and released new DuckStation versions under a very restrictive "source available to look but not touch" license that's so insanely restrictive, Linux distributions are not allowed to make their own packages. So they ship the old version that works just fine because PlayStation 1 emulation was figured out very long ago. Stenzek feels that they should not ship the old version (which they are fully entitled to) and instead make a special exception for his software alone to point their users to DuckStation's website where instead of acquiring the emulator from their package manager (or "app store" in case you're not familiar with that term), Linux users should take extra steps to manually download and install DuckStation.

            And since users may not know about this rift, they may post bug reports and feature ideas to Stenzek, even though these bugs may have been long fixed by non-open source DuckStation.

            Basically: Stenzek did not read the license he picked for his software and then got mad when people made use of provisions explicitly allowed by the license.

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            This happens way too much.

            “What? People are doing things with my Apache project I don’t like!?”

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            • V [email protected]

              Yes, but this suit about a different matter (access to source code) which is a user right in the license. It’s the whole point of the GPL. In this suit the users (ie. The buyers of the devices that have received the binary distribution) obviously have standing.

              The problem with relicensing is that the “authors” of a creative work (remember, this is copyright law) are changing the terms of the distribution, and the authors are allowed to do that. The issue at hand is whether the person doing the changing of the terms is allowed to make this change on behalf of “the authors”.

              The users may be impacted by this decision, but they are not a part of the decision making process. Hence, no standing.

              What you need in a relicensing is someone that asserts (co-) authorship of the work. That’s a much taller order.

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              Exactly. It isn't clear if duckstations author really has permission from all contributors or rewrote those contributions he didn't have rights to change the license on. If he didn't then technically even the latest version is still GPL but it's fairly murky and I doubt shy sane person wants to fork it and have all that drama.

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              • douglasg14b@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                Dude just stated how much of his free time he is willing to provide to others for free and put a line on what he is willing to commit.

                And somehow this thread thinks that's harsh or petty?

                Is literally any person complaining about this guy setting reasonable boundaries paying him money to do this work?

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                Please see my edit. You’re correct. No one is entitled to someone else’s work.

                It’s the same with piracy advocates, actually. People should be able to put boundaries around their work.

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                • G [email protected]

                  yeah, no. it's not harsh.

                  harsh would have been pulling the source entirely online and telling everyone to fuck off because he's going home. find your own baseball.

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                  Please see my edit. You’re right.

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                  • P [email protected]

                    Commit.

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                    I really liked the widescreen option. Do any other PSX emulators have it integrated like Duckstation does?

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                    • max_p@lemmy.max-p.meM [email protected]

                      You can't fork it or redistribute it... but you can distribute patches for users to apply, and those are easy to add in a PKGBUILD. That's how a lot of game/ROM patches are distributed and they appear to be legal.

                      It's an emulator, lets be real, the majority of the users couldn't give a shit about license terms anyway.

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                      Yeah... But then it sucks for anyone not running Arch (btw) or derivative distros. I really don't have a dog in this merge conflict but really would feel bad for any packager maintainers.

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                      • vitaly@feddit.ukV [email protected]

                        Just fork it lol

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                        Please. Stenzek is smart but unhinged.

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                        • E [email protected]

                          While users can be demanding, this reads like a very immature response. Going out of your way to block support and prohibit packaging, which you can let others do with 0 seconds of your time, is kinda rude.

                          Author may have been harassed for all I know, but this is still an emotional response. They could have just said "yeah I'm not supporting this at all, figure it out yourselves if you want to" rather than actively blocking Linux functionality/packaging, which is what this sounds like.

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                          He explicitly states that it is not 0% of his time due to being bombarded with support requests.

                          Are you volunteering to field the support requests?

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                          • U [email protected]

                            This should be top comment if true.

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                            This is a great case for a “reader added context” feature for Lemmy, if it could be implemented in a decent way.

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                            • douglasg14b@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                              Dude just stated how much of his free time he is willing to provide to others for free and put a line on what he is willing to commit.

                              And somehow this thread thinks that's harsh or petty?

                              Is literally any person complaining about this guy setting reasonable boundaries paying him money to do this work?

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                              And somehow this thread thinks that's harsh or petty?

                              Is literally any person complaining about this guy setting reasonable boundaries paying him money to do this work?

                              No they're a bunch of entitled assholes who need a fucking wake up call.

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                                Yeah... But then it sucks for anyone not running Arch (btw) or derivative distros. I really don't have a dog in this merge conflict but really would feel bad for any packager maintainers.

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                                but really would feel bad for any packager maintainers.

                                It's already unpackageable because of the license anyway.

                                The only "legit" way to get the emulator is their provided AppImage bundle, and nothing else. The author also has a rant about Flatpak being broken and unreliable and refusing to support that, so...

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                                  Commit.

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                                  It sure would be a shame if his software was covered by the gpl because it's statically linked against Qt or FFMpeg or any other library... 👀

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                                  • G [email protected]

                                    itt: a bunch of entitled Linux youths that don't understand burnout or QOL.

                                    dude has set a limit to what he wants or is willing to do. still gets called a bitch for defining the line and is still called an asshole.

                                    some of y'all even bring up multiple cases of other foss devs doing/saying the same thing, continue to call them assholes.

                                    🤔 There's a pattern here...but I'm just too blinded by the brilliancy of my distro to see it...

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                                    I just cannot wrap my head around an emulator dev who isn't daily driving Linux...

                                    Damn people are really misunderstanding this comment. Legitimately just don't know anyone who is involved in FOSS projects who doesn't primarily use Linux. Not really passing judgement here, just making an observation.

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                                      Disregard my comment. I was being an ass. They're doing a fun and silly thing and I don't need to hate on it.

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                                      • S [email protected]

                                        Arch users can be the most annoying arrogant and conceited people to exist online.

                                        Ðe maintainers are ðe same. I don't know if it's ðe chicken, or ðe egg, but distro maintainers do tend to set ðe tone.

                                        And, yeah, I use Arch everywhere, because so far everyĂžing else is worse.

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                                        Stop trying to make eth or thorn happen. You just make your comments harder to read

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                                        • douglasg14b@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                                          Seriously, this thread is honestly vile and these people are a perfect example as to why this is happening.

                                          How they are this blind to their own toxicity is beyond me

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                                          it's honestly why I don't open source any of my projects.

                                          like, I want to make the world a better place but at the same time it cannot cost me my QOL because some entitled punk thinks they can demand shit from me.

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