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How would you propose we actually combat climate change?

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    Why are you showing data on renewables? Of course their use is increasing. Our overall demand for power is increasing all the time. Renewables aren't the problem.

    Oil production, is. And aside from a few outliers involving economic collapses, production has been steadily increasing for decades, without any signs of slowing down.

    Nothing will change unless we do something to stop that. Adding renewables to the supply, does nothing to decrease the effects of fossil fuel use, unless you stop using fossil fuels. How is this so hard for you to understand?

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    Because renewables are replacing a large portion of oil based fuels? The global use of fossil fuels is also increasing as China/Africa/India and SEA nations are becoming more industrialized. This isn't a new concept. Even your own link shows this.

    I'll say it again, good luck banning oil/coal. No one will do so.

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      None of this is realistic though. What you're asking for is akin to an absolute miracle. Where would the political forces come from that do that? How could a majority be motivated to vote them into office? How could we get a whole capitalist machinery on board not to counteract and sabotage this?

      They're good ideas, but realistically speaking we have to start somewhere else.

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      Oh absolutely not realistic as a whole (at least not currently, maybe after another decade or two of increasingly destructive hurricanes, wildfires and floods there will be the political appetite), but I do think some of the individual pieces of legislation have a chance.

      The remote work one would be the easiest single piece of legislation on my list since the only people hurt by it are commercial property investors

      The railroad nationalization almost happened once already following the second largest bankruptcy in US history and the railroad industry is far more consolidated now than it was in the Penn Central and Conrail days (there's literally 5 major railroads: Canadian National, CPKC, Union Pacific, BNSF and Norfolk Southern. And to top it off UP and NS have announced their merger which is pending government approval) so if one of these major railroads goes bankrupt we could very well be looking at nationalization again

      Carbon taxes have been tossed around as an idea for quite a while, and it's been partially implemented in some areas (usually in conjunction with a carbon credit marketplace so polluting industries and buy carbon credits from negative carbon industries, similar to how automakers currently buy CAFE credits from Tesla to avoid paying extra penalties for their gas guzzling trucks and SUVs)

      Easier ADU permits and easier multifamily zoning have been passing piecemeal city by city and state by state across the country, so that's already a thing in many places

      Right to repair legislation has been gaining steam and several states have already passed right to repair legislation

      Many cities have been creating ebike rebates because the more people who bike the less the city has to spend repairing roads (road wear grows exponentially based on the weight and number of wheels on a vehicle. A single small car making a trip down a road does a much wear as thousands of bicycle trips, and a single semi truck trip does a much wear as thousands of large SUV trips, so there's real maintenance cost savings for cities in decreasing car trips, not to mention how reducing car trips reduces traffic thereby saving the city on costly road reconfiguration)

      The EPA was created under Nixon because air quality had gotten so bad that whoever was in power at that point would've done something. It's honestly foreseeable that the state of the climate will get bad enough to force even the most reluctant government to change. China for example created huge subsidies for electric vehicle and solar panel production because the air quality in Bejing and other major cities became so terrible

      The current Amtrak Connects Us plan is a much smaller but still ambitious expansion plan, and the subsidies that were created for it give it a solid chance of surviving Republican legislature (it's dolled out as grants to meet specific milestones, so by the time any government starts trying to claw back money they already have studies into the viability of the given rail line so it's already known just how much demand exists) additionally the first couple of services are already in place and have been greatly exceeding ridership projections so there's absolutely appetite for more passenger rail options

      So in short, yeah my policy vision isn't likely as a single unified vision, but many of the policies are already showing promise and being implemented on a smaller scale, so there's a solid chance of some of these policies becoming reality for more of the country

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      • B [email protected]

        Id like lemmings take on how they would actually reduce emissions on a level that actually makes a difference (assuming we can still stop it, which is likely false by now, but let's ignore that)

        I dont think its as simple as "tax billionaires out of existence and ban jets, airplanes, and cars" because thats not realistic.

        Bonus points if you can think of any solutions that dont disrupt the 99%'s way of life.

        I know yall will have fun with this!

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        #153

        Call a halt to this AI bullshit for a start. I've just received a (UK) government questionnaire about my personal energy usage and how I might reduce it. Meanwhile, I learn said government has mooted giving everyone in the country ChatGPT Plus for free!

        There are innumerable ways businesses and governments can reduce their energy footprint etc and make a difference.

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          Oh yeah? And how are other countries going to enforce it if one country breaks the treaty? With bombs? Bombs that release CO2? Think it through! /s

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          I guess the same way all of the other ones get enforced, imperfectly

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          • B [email protected]

            Id like lemmings take on how they would actually reduce emissions on a level that actually makes a difference (assuming we can still stop it, which is likely false by now, but let's ignore that)

            I dont think its as simple as "tax billionaires out of existence and ban jets, airplanes, and cars" because thats not realistic.

            Bonus points if you can think of any solutions that dont disrupt the 99%'s way of life.

            I know yall will have fun with this!

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            Other than inventing time travel, I don't think there's a realistic method at this point. (and then I'm not so sure that time travel is that realistic either)

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            • B [email protected]

              Id like lemmings take on how they would actually reduce emissions on a level that actually makes a difference (assuming we can still stop it, which is likely false by now, but let's ignore that)

              I dont think its as simple as "tax billionaires out of existence and ban jets, airplanes, and cars" because thats not realistic.

              Bonus points if you can think of any solutions that dont disrupt the 99%'s way of life.

              I know yall will have fun with this!

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              With all the world (at least western nations) drifting backwards at least into nationalism (some countries even at full throttle into fascism), this could be used as an advantage: Why not shifting the narrative into the direction, that a stable, clean and healthy enviroment is pinnacle of patriotism (like the narrative of a healthy body was used in national-socialist propaganda 90 years ago in Germany), along with renewable energy that makes each nation independent from others. Wind turbines and solar power for freedom, so to say. Things like coal rolling or similar acts like wasting resources will be deemed as un-patriotic then.

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              • S [email protected]

                Because renewables are replacing a large portion of oil based fuels? The global use of fossil fuels is also increasing as China/Africa/India and SEA nations are becoming more industrialized. This isn't a new concept. Even your own link shows this.

                I'll say it again, good luck banning oil/coal. No one will do so.

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                #157

                Then I guess we're fucked.

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                • B [email protected]

                  Id like lemmings take on how they would actually reduce emissions on a level that actually makes a difference (assuming we can still stop it, which is likely false by now, but let's ignore that)

                  I dont think its as simple as "tax billionaires out of existence and ban jets, airplanes, and cars" because thats not realistic.

                  Bonus points if you can think of any solutions that dont disrupt the 99%'s way of life.

                  I know yall will have fun with this!

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                  #158

                  Make it sexy.

                  If we had an easier time getting laid fighting back instead of going along, then that's what people would start doing.

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                  • B [email protected]

                    Id like lemmings take on how they would actually reduce emissions on a level that actually makes a difference (assuming we can still stop it, which is likely false by now, but let's ignore that)

                    I dont think its as simple as "tax billionaires out of existence and ban jets, airplanes, and cars" because thats not realistic.

                    Bonus points if you can think of any solutions that dont disrupt the 99%'s way of life.

                    I know yall will have fun with this!

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                    #159

                    I see an opportunity with rising electricity costs due to AI infrastructure building. People are getting angry about their high bills. If enough out solar panels on their houses and install batteries, we’ll be off the grid in short order.

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                    • F [email protected]

                      In your defense, it’s actually spelled “albedo”.

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                      Exactly, I think that's a lot of what threw me.

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                      • absgeeknz@lemmy.nzA [email protected]

                        Well it is a hypothesis that needs testing...

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                        Quagmire, is that you?

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