For 73% of French people, the United States is no longer an ally of France
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The French:
Ever since those fuckers voted for the insane right wing populist lunatic, they are no longer a reliable ally!!
Also the French
Yay, Le Pen!
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China is more trustworthy than the US right now
If they'd be willing renounce their claims to Taiwan and allow democracy in Hong Kong and Macau, maybe I could see that. Until then, same shit in more outwardly rational packaging.
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It's okay France, most Americans feel the same way too
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27% hoping the US is just going through a phase
That was an understandable reaction for 2016 to 2020. But not anymore.
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China is more trustworthy than the US right now
The Chinese regime also lies through their teeth, but they are a known and rational actor.
A backstabbing, erratic „ally“ is worse of course.
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China is more trustworthy than the US right now
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That feeling has been reflected in recent polls here in the UK too and I think the US might be finally blowing it with its 'allies'.
I hope that the Trump administration can get all its core industries up and running because there is a big sense that the US empire is on its way out now. It was always bound to happen eventually because it always does but I was not expecting to see it unravel so fast and so soon.
Perhaps the US population can resolve (or dissolve) its internal divisions and conflict but I think it will take years and Europe has urgent problems that need tackling right away.
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That feeling has been reflected in recent polls here in the UK too and I think the US might be finally blowing it with its 'allies'.
I hope that the Trump administration can get all its core industries up and running because there is a big sense that the US empire is on its way out now. It was always bound to happen eventually because it always does but I was not expecting to see it unravel so fast and so soon.
Perhaps the US population can resolve (or dissolve) its internal divisions and conflict but I think it will take years and Europe has urgent problems that need tackling right away.
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China is more trustworthy than the US right now
Actually, yes. Stability-loving nationalist autocrats vs. instability-loving nationalist autocrats.
Thankfully, the real democracies don't really need to choose one or the other, as long as we stick together.
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The French:
Ever since those fuckers voted for the insane right wing populist lunatic, they are no longer a reliable ally!!
Also the French
Yay, Le Pen!
This is the only scrap of dignity I have left in my people, the fact that Russian propaganda just as well on them.
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I assumed we lost their support years ago. I thought we couldn't get more petty than "Freedom fries". I was way wrong.
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250 year old friend thrown away for a 100 year old adversary.
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The French:
Ever since those fuckers voted for the insane right wing populist lunatic, they are no longer a reliable ally!!
Also the French
Yay, Le Pen!
Thats the 73%/23% split explained.
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I know it's hard to accept it as an American. But here we are
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That's crazy to me that America has changed so much that a nation they freed from Nazi control cannot consider the USA an ally any more because of the fascist ideology the trump administration is showing to the world. This all happened in like 2 months time. This is just the beginning and I don't see things getting better at all.
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That was an understandable reaction for 2016 to 2020. But not anymore.
It still could be a phase, albeit a much longer one than originally hoped for. I'm not convinced that's the case but I think there's reason to have at least a sliver of hope that the US will turn the corner and return to something approaching sanity. That's not to say that the people of France are wrong in their perception though. For the foreseeable future all of Europe should default to assuming we'll be ambivalent at best when approaching matters that concern them.
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That's crazy to me that America has changed so much that a nation they freed from Nazi control cannot consider the USA an ally any more because of the fascist ideology the trump administration is showing to the world. This all happened in like 2 months time. This is just the beginning and I don't see things getting better at all.
It's so much worse for the US
France was our first ally. After the revolutionary war, France was the first to recognize us as a country.
They were the first NATO nation to join us in the global war on terror after we invoked Article 5.
Make all the "France surrendered" jokes you want but they have given more to us than we have given them, diplomatically speaking.
Trump is just giving every ally we have a huge middle finger that will take decades to overcome. All so that Trump can feel like a big man.
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France has always been a bit different. They left NATO for a bit to push back against the US/UK dominance and they developed an independent nuclear deterrent and delivery systems. They are a shit country in many ways, probably more like the US than they realise. They held onto colonialism for too long, have a stupid political system and their police and security services have done some shitty things. But hard not to admire their independence.
Many countries caved to the US and became client states, heavily reliant on US defence industry and an extension of the US military, not because we were free loaders as Trump claims but because the US pushed their interests so hard and for so long. We cancelled our own weapons programs and shuttered our factories to support US jobs ahead of our own. Most of us are so dependent on the US it has been hard to conceive of a world without them. Being against the US alliance was basically equivalent to being against national security and being a fool or a supporter of potential enemies.
Trump is breaking people's world view. The French leadership were decades ahead of the rest of us.
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It's so much worse for the US
France was our first ally. After the revolutionary war, France was the first to recognize us as a country.
They were the first NATO nation to join us in the global war on terror after we invoked Article 5.
Make all the "France surrendered" jokes you want but they have given more to us than we have given them, diplomatically speaking.
Trump is just giving every ally we have a huge middle finger that will take decades to overcome. All so that Trump can feel like a big man.
Make all the "France surrendered" jokes you want
It's so weird to me that France has been a military force that has oscillated between a force to be reckoned with and the most powerful land force in the world since the 17th century, but you lose one war to a blitzkrieg with an overconfident military leadership...
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For 53% of American people, the United States is no longer an ally of US.
