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  • rmdebarc_5@piefed.zipR This user is from outside of this forum
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    It should be noted, that trans women don't appear to have a competitive advantage over cis women Source

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      It should be noted, that trans women don't appear to have a competitive advantage over cis women Source

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      Kids who grow up in homes with proper nutrition run faster, jump higher, and hit harder. Their bones have never been sapped of calcium, their teeth never threatened with scurvy. It's not fair or safe to have them compete with malnourished kids who grew up eating fast food and tv dinners.

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        Kids who grow up in homes with proper nutrition run faster, jump higher, and hit harder. Their bones have never been sapped of calcium, their teeth never threatened with scurvy. It's not fair or safe to have them compete with malnourished kids who grew up eating fast food and tv dinners.

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        Yeah, in general nobody should compete with anybody as long as we don't live in a fully automated gay space communist utopia were everyone's disadvantages are compensated. I'm sure this is what transphobes actually want

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        • rmdebarc_5@piefed.zipR [email protected]

          It should be noted, that trans women don't appear to have a competitive advantage over cis women Source

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          • rmdebarc_5@piefed.zipR [email protected]

            It should be noted, that trans women don't appear to have a competitive advantage over cis women Source

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            This is how I've been addressing it. Category error, because the current framing of sports is... Really dumb

            Frankly most global level competition is just people flexing how make affordances people have. Imagine trying to ruin people's lives to protect the sacred structure of mild eugenics through some social hierarchy or another.

            But if 'fairness' is the goal, then the wealthy would be a much more deserving population to nerf or exclude.

            Not that I think sports and competition are not valid forms of practice and fun, but you're not as 'better' as you think because you had the resources to master an eco-niche that doesn't actually do anything other than give you monkey hierarchy feelings. You also shouldn't have the right to exclude people who make it hard to believe in that stupid oversimplified terrain that the preference style was built upon.

            But TERFs and other bigots never got anywhere being thoughtful about others or the world they live in.

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            • rmdebarc_5@piefed.zipR [email protected]

              It should be noted, that trans women don't appear to have a competitive advantage over cis women Source

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              But how will I explain to my kid the concept of non binary?

              1, 2, .... Nope, too complicated, too confusing. Better to deny their existence and do everything possible to make that a reality.

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                It should be noted, that trans women don't appear to have a competitive advantage over cis women Source

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                Mother fuckers won't give a shit about women's sports unless it's to police who participates

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                • rmdebarc_5@piefed.zipR [email protected]

                  It should be noted, that trans women don't appear to have a competitive advantage over cis women Source

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                  Try watching F1 and hearing "natural talent" in the context of men who had done 30,000 hours of karting before they could walk. Max Verstappen was built from the ground up to be a racer. I don't think these people are bad, but they definitely have it easy going up against one of the smallest playing fields in all of sports.

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                    It should be noted, that trans women don't appear to have a competitive advantage over cis women Source

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                    Back in the day, the losing football (called soccer by stupid) team would lose their heads. Now they earn millions (the men only though), that's not what sports should be about. Men have an unfair salary advantage over women. I think losing their heads would be a better motivation for a proper game.

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                      But how will I explain to my kid the concept of non binary?

                      1, 2, .... Nope, too complicated, too confusing. Better to deny their existence and do everything possible to make that a reality.

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                      non binary

                      1,2

                      Where's the 0, solarvector? 🤨

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                        But how will I explain to my kid the concept of non binary?

                        1, 2, .... Nope, too complicated, too confusing. Better to deny their existence and do everything possible to make that a reality.

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                        Found the Fortran dev

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                          Kids who grow up in homes with proper nutrition run faster, jump higher, and hit harder. Their bones have never been sapped of calcium, their teeth never threatened with scurvy. It's not fair or safe to have them compete with malnourished kids who grew up eating fast food and tv dinners.

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                          I swam competitively in high school, graduated 2005. I actually ran into a guy yesterday who was five years ahead of me, but an absolute stud of a swimmer at the time. Haven't seen him in 20-25 years at this point, long time, I was just a kid.

                          We get to talking and I mention how I go to the Y we both swam for and I look at the time board, and how none of the old names are up there any longer; in fact, we talk about how the times on the girls board are now faster than the times the boys set back when we swam.

                          There have been advances in technique, and how they practice, and the types of suits they wear, but the main thing we could figure was it was access to nutritional information and the like. Back when we did it was amateur hour. Kids nowadays can get custom-tailored meal programs for their training regimen, and that's on top of much more personalized training and everything. Every facet has been absolutely tech'd out, and kids are going much, much further (and faster). What only Olympians had access to when I was a kid is now something anyone has access to.

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                            Try watching F1 and hearing "natural talent" in the context of men who had done 30,000 hours of karting before they could walk. Max Verstappen was built from the ground up to be a racer. I don't think these people are bad, but they definitely have it easy going up against one of the smallest playing fields in all of sports.

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                            Hey! Verdomme, how dare you talk that way about our Max! Our pride and glory!

                            (you're 100% completely right though)

                            To get into racing you either need to have the connection (generally family) or a shit load of money.

                            It's the same with the Dutch navy. If you have the right family name but are dumb AF you are destined for a good career. Same goes for blonde and big breasts. If you're intelligent and good at your job but lack the influence, family name and/or ass licking skills you're doomed to fail.

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                              Mother fuckers won't give a shit about women's sports unless it's to police who participates

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                              I think it's because a lot of them like to creep on female athletes.

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                                Try watching F1 and hearing "natural talent" in the context of men who had done 30,000 hours of karting before they could walk. Max Verstappen was built from the ground up to be a racer. I don't think these people are bad, but they definitely have it easy going up against one of the smallest playing fields in all of sports.

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                                Eh I think you would have a bigger point with someone like lance stroll, max definitely has a massive edge from all the karting but he is objectively someone with a natural talent that got those additional competitive advantages which has set him up to be a once and a generation type driver. Plus I kinda feel bad for max when you hear about the stories of his dad vicariously living through him as a kid and pushing him till his hands were cold and numb on the kart giving him like a 5 minute break to warm his hands slightly and then have him continue to do laps. But yeah modern f1 is a good example of a rich man's sport, the shear cost to get to the point of just the feeder series disqualifies so many people who could compete and be rivals to the likes of max but due to not having the funding from a young age they are just completely ineligible to even try to compete.

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                                  non binary

                                  1,2

                                  Where's the 0, solarvector? 🤨

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                                  2 is categorically non-binary.

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                                    Mother fuckers won't give a shit about women's sports unless it's to police who participates

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                                    And even then they don't watch it.

                                    Let the people who play the sports decide the rules. What kind of moron thinks governments should be deciding sports?

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                                    • rmdebarc_5@piefed.zipR [email protected]

                                      It should be noted, that trans women don't appear to have a competitive advantage over cis women Source

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                                      Somebody should just organize a "people's olympics" and ban all the rich people. It would get so much press.

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                                        It should be noted, that trans women don't appear to have a competitive advantage over cis women Source

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                                        For anyone who cares this is horrible logic that only superficially makes a point. Two things are true here... being rich is an advantage and the sex you were born can be an advantage when you compete against one of the sexes.

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                                          Mother fuckers won't give a shit about women's sports unless it's to police who participates

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                                          Depends on the sport in all honestly, some womans sports are more fun to watch than men's. I can't think of an example of hand though.

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