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What is your most "Fuck you, this is actually awesome?" take?

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    The Force Awakens The Last Jedi was the freshest and most creative star wars movie since Empire and Rian Johnson is a hero for trying to take the franchise in a new direction

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    I agree that TLJ was the best in the sequel trilogy. I still have very mixed feelings about it, but I do like a lot of it. And at least it was something different and unique, and I appreciate that.

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    • rustyfish@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

      Rings of Power

      While it is not perfect, a lot of criticism of the show is insane or plain dishonest. It became a playing ground for shit stirring and easy rage bait.

      Death Stranding

      The worst game I ever loved. Yes, the story and dialogue gets weird towards the end. Yes, Kojima keeps over explaining everything almost pathologically. Yes, I only played the Directors Cut, which I have been told reworked most of the game into a better state. And yes, I got PTSD from getting called after every single mission. But if you keep driving vehicles into terrain that obviously isn’t suited to be driven on, or otherwise try to bend the gameplay to your liking instead of accepting how it is supposed to be played, maybe you should play something else.

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      It took me a while, but I ended up really enjoying Death Stranding. One of the things that made it click for me was that I watched a video essay on a different game that used the playwright Bertholt Brecht's V-effect as an analytical frame.

      My rough understanding of it is that Brecht wanted to break the fourth wall and prevent audiences from identifying too heavily with characters, enabling them to better engage with the themes of the play; for example, if audiences end up identifying with a character who is a relatable asshole, then they might be less inclined to critically understand this character and the systems that facilitate their assholery.

      Death Stranding invokes this with its absurd characters and setting. I never stopped finding it jarring when you have such silly character names and plots. This meant that for my first few hours of playing, I felt like I didn't "get it", and it seems like this is a fairly common reaction. However, this sense of "I don't get it" is interesting because of how it primes you to search for something to get — some larger point that Kojima is trying to make with the game. If nothing else, I appreciate games and other media that have something to say, even if I struggle to grasp that message.

      If I had to distill things down, I think the most prominent theme I understood was "Play is an essential component of human wellness, and it has tremendous capacity to facilitate building human connection". I enjoyed how this was explored narratively through Sam's interactions with various characters, but also through ludic means via the player interacting with other player build structures (I really enjoyed getting so many thumbs up for all the roads I built). Death Stranding sometimes feels pretentious, but I remember thinking "what's more pretentious: the game that's trying (and possibly failing, depending on perspective) hard to say something larger, or the player who regards the game with disdain". Ultimately, I feel that the potential pretentiousness is neutralised by how earnest it is. Yes, it's a very silly game, but that's sort of the point.


      Regarding Rings of Power, I absolutely hated the show, which sounds like a stronger opinion than what you hold. However, I completely agree that the discourse around the show is a trash fire of bad faith criticism that makes it impossible to express legitimate dislike of the show that's based in honesty.

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        Mind you, a lot of this reimplementation is because those 1000 other implementations that came before all haven't had their source code released to the public. No amount of vibecoding is going to help there because those LLMs were never trained on code that was never publicly released.

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        They're trained on plenty that's similar enough, as long as its Python or something in the dataset.

        It's also been shown that LLMs are good at 'abstracting' languages to another, like training on (as an example) Chinese martial arts storytelling and translating that ability to english, despite having not seen a single english character in the finetune. That specific example I'm thinking of is:

        https://huggingface.co/TriadParty/Deepsword-34B-Base

        Same with code. If you're, say, working with a language it doesn't know well, you can finetune it on a relatively small subset, combine with with a framework to verify it, and get good results, like with this:

        https://huggingface.co/cognition-ai/Kevin-32B

        chart showing kevin 32B outperform openai

        Someone did this with GDScript too (the Godot Game Engine scripting language, fairly obscure), but I can't find it atm.


        Not that they can be trusted for whole implementations or anything, but for banging out tedious blocks? Oh yeah. Especially if its something local/open one can tailor, and not a corporate API.

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          i’m an ML/AI engineer, i could generate plenty of things locally or at the university on their systems without a megacorp involved anywhere in the pipeline at this stage.

          people would defend AI art bc they’re not conceited and do not hold weird selective views regarding what art is. that’s really all it is.

          people can hate the technology all they want but that doesn’t change the fact that what they’re actually mad at is the result of solely corporatism and capitalism. the actual technology itself is a fucking fascinating take on statistics and how to handle big data. what, megacorps abused math so now i’m supposed to hate math? i’ll never understand you guys!

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          Lookout guys, its a prompt "engineer"!

          My 5 year old niece is a prompt "engineer" too.

          If you want art to have absolutely zero humanity in it, gobble up all the slop you want.

          You are correct about the end stage capitalism component. But if youre truly a "prompt engineer" you should know running a local model doesnt at all unlink you from massive data sucking corps, because who do you think trained that model?

          For the record I will also say that painting a picture DOES take more invested skill than a photograph, and I will respect the person who painted a scene vs took a picture of it WAY more. Now, both can be enjoyed by anyone, and thats fine.

          I'll have absolutely 0 respect for any image made using ai. Its a toy, and a tool for corporations to further cut costs where they want to the most (take out the pesky humans and gross empathy, ick!)

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            you’re gonna get endlessly downvoted here on lemmy for this but if it makes you feel any better i work in ML/AI and feel the same way as you and the other guy here comparing it to computerized art.

            people are really anthropocentric, short-sighted, and reactionary.

            i’m not convinced by weird capitalist myths of “originality” or “the human touch” or whatever weird fetishizing they wanna do…

            all art is predicated on that which came before, human or not. AI art is no different. artists shouldn’t be subject to the economy in such a way that something like generative art inspires such societal rage… in china genAI is popular with the youth and generally bc artists and artisans in china aren’t exploited the way they are in the west and are free to view genAI as a tool rather than a threat. why western commission artists direct their anger and rage at the machines putting their oppression on full display and not towards their oppressors and handlers themselves fucking confounds me. maybe people really are just, on average, kind of dumb. i keep looking for alternatives but nothing ever shows itself.

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            The fact you think all art is predicated on what came before is absolutely stupid.

            If thats true, there would never have been anything new created. Ai slop generators CANT make anything new because they are limited on their (massively) illegally scraped input.

            Also thinking that originality and human experience are capitalist myths is quite humorous, that is a new take.

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              Owning a pickup truck is pretty awesome, and I don’t think I’ll ever buy a different type of vehicle again.

              Mentioning it online gets hate, but in real life people keep coming up to me, complimenting how nice it looks, asking questions about it, and kids give me thumbs up when I drive by. All of that is just a bonus on top of the fact that I love driving it and the way it looks - and that’s all that really matters.

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              I agree with 95% of FuckCars. Cars should not be the default in our society. Cars are at the root of why our cities suck so bad. We need to do as much as we can towards walkability, bikability, and public transportation. Cars won't go away completely, but they don't have to be so prevalent.

              The 5% where FuckCars goes wrong is people who don't know anything about cars talking about cars. Their treatment of trucks vs vans is one of those. Vans are useful for trades, and so are trucks. Let the workers decide which one they prefer for their job.

              Those workers usually don't need an F150 the size of a small house. They don't even want an F150 the size of a small house. That doesn't mean a van is necessarily what they want.

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                What I mean is like, what do you think is unironically awesome, even if people now think its cringe or stupid?

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                While there were some truly awful moments in the last season of game of thrones, danaerys' arc was not one of them. Her going nuts was hinted at from the beginning and I wouldn't have had it any other way.

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                  Owning a pickup truck is pretty awesome, and I don’t think I’ll ever buy a different type of vehicle again.

                  Mentioning it online gets hate, but in real life people keep coming up to me, complimenting how nice it looks, asking questions about it, and kids give me thumbs up when I drive by. All of that is just a bonus on top of the fact that I love driving it and the way it looks - and that’s all that really matters.

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                  Out of curiosity, why did you buy it? It's so big and seems like a safety hazard for people, wasteful as well.

                  What would've convinced you to switch back to something else? Or what would convince others to do so?

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                    While there were some truly awful moments in the last season of game of thrones, danaerys' arc was not one of them. Her going nuts was hinted at from the beginning and I wouldn't have had it any other way.

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                    Everytime a Targaryen is born, the gods throw a dice

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                      While there were some truly awful moments in the last season of game of thrones, danaerys' arc was not one of them. Her going nuts was hinted at from the beginning and I wouldn't have had it any other way.

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                      The problem isn’t the heel turn, the problem was that it happened on like 4 episodes. Rushed and lacked the time to show motive.

                      Of course a Targaryen would go insane in their lust for power. The game of thrones consumes everyone.

                      It just sucks that the show runners were like “and then she goes nuts and loses it all ok? The end. We’re gonna fuck off and make Stsr Wars now.” and it was so bad they even lost from Star Wars lol

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                      • rustyfish@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                        Rings of Power

                        While it is not perfect, a lot of criticism of the show is insane or plain dishonest. It became a playing ground for shit stirring and easy rage bait.

                        Death Stranding

                        The worst game I ever loved. Yes, the story and dialogue gets weird towards the end. Yes, Kojima keeps over explaining everything almost pathologically. Yes, I only played the Directors Cut, which I have been told reworked most of the game into a better state. And yes, I got PTSD from getting called after every single mission. But if you keep driving vehicles into terrain that obviously isn’t suited to be driven on, or otherwise try to bend the gameplay to your liking instead of accepting how it is supposed to be played, maybe you should play something else.

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                        I love how some people criticize Kojima for beating you over the head with unsubtle themes, but then the other half of people are like "this game made no sense so I deliver packages and then people talk about ropes a lot and why are there hands everywhere"

                        Edit: just adding this on, of course Kojima is trying to reach as many people as possible with his art, even those with poor media literacy. But it only just occurred to me how that in itself is so reminiscent of Sam pushing to connect people, even the ones who are remote or obstinate.

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                          Speaking as a Texan, I associate the worst of truck driving with “being an ass.” It’s not always true, but man, if someone’s gonna cut me off just to be a jerk, it’s usually a lifted abomination.

                          This though:

                          1993 Ford Ranger

                          This is fine.

                          No, it’s magnificent.

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                          That looks like a huge truck, there's nothing small about it.

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                            That small red truck is a truck of a man who truly is masculine. Doesn't give a shit what other people think, needs it to carry supplies, and didn't want to waste any money.

                            Giant lifted trucks are the opposite of masculine. They're for showing off, desperately trying to get people to notice them, they arely if ever haul anything (if they even can anymore with the lift), and they wasted huge amounts of money.

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                            I dunno, chief. That "small" red truck is big as well. And the stuff in there will still get wet. Much more practical to have a van.

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                              I think those huge American trucks are cool too, but the size is more of an inconvenience than it’s worth, and they stand out and draw too much attention - which is a big reason I didn’t get one. I’m honestly surprised by how much attention even my ’07 mid-size Nissan gets, but luckily it’s all been positive.

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                              What's cool about an energy slurping vehicle that's a danger to children and adults alike? It only serves to trick men into thinking their fragile tiny tick gets bigger with that car.

                              The bigger the car, the smaller the ego, generally. Better to just work on themselves and bicycle. That's truly good.

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                                Crucially, that wouldn't be better carried in a van.

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                                Are you paid by some truck company? Vans absolutely better carry. They also have cover, so the stuff you carry doesn't get wet.

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                                  Why does that matter though? A van is just as big and heavy with even worse visibility around you.

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                                  You're aware that mirrors exist, right? And that vans also often have back windows?
                                  And that the visibility is actually worse with those big trucks?

                                  Yer talkin' bull, lad.

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                                    Trucks are fun, 100%. Id love a small truck with a tow package, i don't need a gigantic Ram child-flattener but having something versatile and tall enough to clear some obstacles is always nice. RIP that little Mazda i got circa 2007 for $500 with no working gauges and a fuel leak, when it felt like driving i loved it.

                                    Honestly if those Slate (is that right? Im still half asleep) trucks take off I may get one

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                                    Just get a van instead, bro. They're way more practical.

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                                      I actually want to get a pick-up truck for furniture, not like one of these road monsters, but something reasonable, like a 2 seater with lots a bed space. Like an old Chevy or something.

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                                      Get a van instead. Don't start becoming part of the problem.

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                                        What is no man's sky

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                                        A space exploration video game. It had a famously bad launch, because the director had over-promised on basically every single feature. It was massively anticipated because the director had hyped it up so much. And when it launched, players quickly discovered that many of the promised features were only half finished, or were missing entirely. The backlash was swift, but the company said they planned to keep working on the game.

                                        And now many years later, the game is actually fairly solid, and basically meets the original promises. But at launch, it definitely didn’t.

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                                          The fact you think all art is predicated on what came before is absolutely stupid.

                                          If thats true, there would never have been anything new created. Ai slop generators CANT make anything new because they are limited on their (massively) illegally scraped input.

                                          Also thinking that originality and human experience are capitalist myths is quite humorous, that is a new take.

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                                          it can be true and new things can be created, and if you understood how large systems of data worked you would clearly understand how these aren’t mutually exclusive. creativity is different from originality. one is real, the other doesn’t actually exist.

                                          please, name even a single piece of media that is wholly original from all of human history. i’ll wait. there isn’t one. everything takes pieces of everything else.

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