Airline Demand Between Canada & United States Collapses, Down 70%+
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The girlfriend and I (both Canadian in Canada) were just planning a summer trip to Niagara Falls like 30 minutes ago. Neither of us have been. We were looking at flights and didn't realize we were looking at flights to Niagara Falls airport in the US. We were both like "Whoa. Nope!"
If this had been last year, we would have flown into either airport and visited both sides of the border. But there is not a chance in hell I'm crossing to the US side during this trip. I'm absolutely not taking a chance of wrecking my vacation, or weeks of my life, getting nabbed by some Nazi Ice Bro and shipped to a detention camp in Arizona.
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Germany
I don't know for other countries, but Germany has not issued any travel warnings. The page with information to the US is the following: https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/service/laender/usa-node/usavereinigtestaatensicherheit-201382?isLocal=false&isPreview=false. It contains only information, but no advisory against traveling which a warning usually contains stuff that one might call warnings, but they formally aren't. Compare it with https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/reiseundsicherheit/suedsudansicherheit-244250: The title of the page contains "(Reisewarnung)" which translates to "warning against travel". The page contains the wording "Vor Reisen nach X wird gewarnt". Only those constitute a warning. No such warning can be found on the page about the US.
Personally, I can only advise against traveling there, but the page for the US has existed basically always. New information was added this month, but the official status / stance on US travel hasn't changed: the US is on the same level as France and Spain.
It appears that Germany has updated their information several times. So much so that your second link gives me a 404 error. There are multiple reports stating that Germany issued a travel warning. The most recent I could find is from three days ago: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/foreign-travel-warnings-about-us-travel.html
There are updates that are older than this that state that Germany changed its report and clarified that they weren't issuing a travel warning specifically, just heightened caution. That seems like "some form of warning" to me.
Australia has similar wording. While it describes the situation as "Green", it talks about heightened levels of alert and crime.
This is precisely why I worded my post: "It appears that these countries now have some form of warning associated with travelling to the USA:" (emphasis added).
I think that the wording that Germany is using falls under this heading.
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It appears that Germany has updated their information several times. So much so that your second link gives me a 404 error. There are multiple reports stating that Germany issued a travel warning. The most recent I could find is from three days ago: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/foreign-travel-warnings-about-us-travel.html
There are updates that are older than this that state that Germany changed its report and clarified that they weren't issuing a travel warning specifically, just heightened caution. That seems like "some form of warning" to me.
Australia has similar wording. While it describes the situation as "Green", it talks about heightened levels of alert and crime.
This is precisely why I worded my post: "It appears that these countries now have some form of warning associated with travelling to the USA:" (emphasis added).
I think that the wording that Germany is using falls under this heading.
the second link is just incorrectly linked in the comment, as the colon is included in it. it should be https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/reiseundsicherheit/suedsudansicherheit-244250
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It appears that Germany has updated their information several times. So much so that your second link gives me a 404 error. There are multiple reports stating that Germany issued a travel warning. The most recent I could find is from three days ago: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/foreign-travel-warnings-about-us-travel.html
There are updates that are older than this that state that Germany changed its report and clarified that they weren't issuing a travel warning specifically, just heightened caution. That seems like "some form of warning" to me.
Australia has similar wording. While it describes the situation as "Green", it talks about heightened levels of alert and crime.
This is precisely why I worded my post: "It appears that these countries now have some form of warning associated with travelling to the USA:" (emphasis added).
I think that the wording that Germany is using falls under this heading.
It appears that Germany has updated their information several times. So much so that your second link gives me a 404 error
It hasn't been updated, but Lemmy thinks the colon is part of the URL. https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/reiseundsicherheit/suedsudansicherheit-244250 it's not about the US but South Sudan, to show what an official travel warning looks like. The US page is just advisory.
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I'm just surprised it's such a short list. I expect it'll be much longer by the summer.
I know in the case of the UK it only happened after a UK citizen was detained, I think Germany might be the same as well
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It appears that these countries now have some form of warning associated with travelling to the USA:
- Australia
- Belgium
- Canada
- Denmark
- Finland
- Germany
- Ireland
- Netherlands
- New Zealand
- United Kingdom
Norway has also issued a travel warning for trans people going to the US
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It appears that these countries now have some form of warning associated with travelling to the USA:
- Australia
- Belgium
- Canada
- Denmark
- Finland
- Germany
- Ireland
- Netherlands
- New Zealand
- United Kingdom
All US allies. Unbelievable.
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The US side is bleak industrial wasteland.
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It appears that these countries now have some form of warning associated with travelling to the USA:
- Australia
- Belgium
- Canada
- Denmark
- Finland
- Germany
- Ireland
- Netherlands
- New Zealand
- United Kingdom
Source?
Canada does not seem to have any advisory.
https://travel.gc.ca/travelling/advisories -
In the US, if you land, you must pass through immigration.
At least I'm not aware of any airports where there is an international terminal like you find elsewhere in the world. Ours require entry to the country even if you are connecting to another international flight.
Wait, really?
So you need a visa to transit through the US?
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All US allies. Unbelievable.
US allies? I don't see Russia on the list.
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The bad thing for the US is that its a lot of revenue to lose. This type of thing has knockon effects. America has a very large tourist hospitality sector.
Yes, it was promised but the people thinking it a good thing, who voted for it and are implementing it do not understand how the economy works.
On one hand, it is a lot of revenue lost. On the other, it's also a lot of resources freed up for Americans that would otherwise have been used by foreign tourists. As long as the supply remains the same and the demand drops, prices should get reduced as well. That's what people understand.
What they don't understand is that companies expect this to be temporary, and they'd rather have losses they can write off, rather than smaller profits that their investors will be upset about.
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I'm genuinely struggling to see where this is really a bad thing.
It depends on how much you value a stable economy.
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Wait, really?
So you need a visa to transit through the US?
Yes indeed. Everyone arriving goes through immigration, collects bags, clears customs; and only then may proceed to the exit, or recheck bags and go back through security to catch a connecting flight.
The only exception is if you originated at a pre-clearance airport and did the immigration stuff before departure. But that means you still need a visa. And it's only at a handful of airports in Canada, Ireland, UAE and the Caribbean.
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On one hand, it is a lot of revenue lost. On the other, it's also a lot of resources freed up for Americans that would otherwise have been used by foreign tourists. As long as the supply remains the same and the demand drops, prices should get reduced as well. That's what people understand.
What they don't understand is that companies expect this to be temporary, and they'd rather have losses they can write off, rather than smaller profits that their investors will be upset about.
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The international demand lost is well beyond what can be replaced with domestic demand. Tariffs are also going to keep prices high so even with a demand reduction that won't matter to a lot of the supply cost.
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The taxes are one thing but less profit and less demand=jobs being cut which has downstream effects. Any smart company doesn't expect this to be short. Being advised against travel is not something that gets turned around easily.
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What resources are Canadian tourists using that would otherwise go to Americans? I don’t feel deprived of flights to Ottawa…
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I'm genuinely struggling to see where this is really a bad thing.
It depends on how much you value a stable economy.
To his point, an unstable economyis also what they voted for. Some might have been too stupid to comprehend their actions, but it is exacy what they chose.
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The US side is bleak industrial wasteland.
Canadian side has so many tourist traps
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The girlfriend and I (both Canadian in Canada) were just planning a summer trip to Niagara Falls like 30 minutes ago. Neither of us have been. We were looking at flights and didn't realize we were looking at flights to Niagara Falls airport in the US. We were both like "Whoa. Nope!"
If this had been last year, we would have flown into either airport and visited both sides of the border. But there is not a chance in hell I'm crossing to the US side during this trip. I'm absolutely not taking a chance of wrecking my vacation, or weeks of my life, getting nabbed by some Nazi Ice Bro and shipped to a detention camp in Arizona.
