Germany’s election winner pledges ‘independence from US’
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Merz has ruled out forming a government with AfD hasn’t he?
If Friedrich Merz rules out that it will rain later today, better bring an umbrella. That guy is a pathological liar and a shameless opportunist.
He will do whatever gives him the most power. The only reason for him to form a coalition with the SPD is that he can use the threat of the AfD to blackmail the (anyway spineless) SPD into doing whatever he wants.
Maybe I will end up disappointed then. I just hope to see Europe standing on its own two feet if the US has no interest in Europe anymore. And I hope to see Europe continuing to back Ukraine.
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Maybe I will end up disappointed then. I just hope to see Europe standing on its own two feet if the US has no interest in Europe anymore. And I hope to see Europe continuing to back Ukraine.
I just hope to see Europe standing on its own two feet if the US has no interest in Europe anymore.
I doubt that Merz will do too much in this regard unless forced to, as he is in the pocket of his former employer, BlackRock, a US based investment firm.
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If he means it, it is good. But it can't mean dependence from China or Russia.
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CDU alone got about 22% of the votes. CDU+CSU got 29%.
Oh, you're one of those kinds of people.
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I just hope to see Europe standing on its own two feet if the US has no interest in Europe anymore.
I doubt that Merz will do too much in this regard unless forced to, as he is in the pocket of his former employer, BlackRock, a US based investment firm.
Well, shit. I will just follow the news and hope for the best while expecting the worst.
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CDU alone got about 22% of the votes. CDU+CSU got 29%.
For all intents and purposes, they are the same party. We're just (for utterly occult reasons) humouring Bavarians who want to feel special.
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The alternative to NATO is the EU, which is also a defensive alliance, does not include the US and has a lot of power outside of military matters. The only larger downside is that the UK is not a member, but other then that it is a much better tool.
An alternative that both USA and RUS are now trying to fight with no success.
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Then you don't know much about German politics.
I don't unfortunately. It's hard to break into the nuances without knowing German. I hope I'm wrong, but there's going to be more radicalization before your guys next election.
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I don't know much about Merz but it's possible to have a politician who is shitty and self-serving, but who still says good things occasionally.
E.g. Boris Johnson. Purely a self-interested politician who has said many stupid things. But one of his views which I liked was his support for Ukraine.
Boris Johnson
Yes, that's probably a solid comparison. They are kinda similar. Just without the goofy behavior and even less charisma. And Merz is (thankfully) very strongly pro-EU.
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Boris Johnson
Yes, that's probably a solid comparison. They are kinda similar. Just without the goofy behavior and even less charisma. And Merz is (thankfully) very strongly pro-EU.
Boris made some pro-EU statements in the past, but then he realised that being anti-EU would give him an opportunity to become prime minister. So he took that opportunity to put his career ambitions ahead of the country's interests.
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If he means it, it is good. But it can't mean dependence from China or Russia.
Its always what they don't say
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For all intents and purposes, they are the same party. We're just (for utterly occult reasons) humouring Bavarians who want to feel special.
I swear, I never heard anyone speak well of Bavaria lol
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Oh, you're one of those kinds of people.
And what “kind of people” would that be?
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I swear, I never heard anyone speak well of Bavaria lol
I canNOT imagine why that would be.
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And what “kind of people” would that be?
People who enjoy "gotcha"s and being technically correct for the sake of it.
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People who enjoy "gotcha"s and being technically correct for the sake of it.
I could say the same to you and it would be a nice exercise in futility. The point wasn’t to be right for its own sake, but to highlight that while the far right didn’t outright win it didn’t lose either. As it stands now, either this govt (and the EU) positively address the situation making every elector aware or next election we will have afd (and who knows who else) at the govts; we shouldn’t repeat the mistakes of Biden
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I could say the same to you and it would be a nice exercise in futility. The point wasn’t to be right for its own sake, but to highlight that while the far right didn’t outright win it didn’t lose either. As it stands now, either this govt (and the EU) positively address the situation making every elector aware or next election we will have afd (and who knows who else) at the govts; we shouldn’t repeat the mistakes of Biden
I could say the same to you and it would be a nice exercise in futility.
View from the mod: You're absolutely trying to weasel through with technically correct bullshit.
CDU is not present on Bavarian ballots, whereas Afd can be elected in every state. And CDU always forms a parliamentary group with CSU. CSU tends to veer a bit closer to nationalism and right-wing extremism, but that's largely posture. For all intents and purposes, CDU/CSU is one party with two heads.
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I could say the same to you and it would be a nice exercise in futility.
View from the mod: You're absolutely trying to weasel through with technically correct bullshit.
CDU is not present on Bavarian ballots, whereas Afd can be elected in every state. And CDU always forms a parliamentary group with CSU. CSU tends to veer a bit closer to nationalism and right-wing extremism, but that's largely posture. For all intents and purposes, CDU/CSU is one party with two heads.
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View from a user: removing my original comment because you disagree is a dick move, period. Not trying to weasel through anything since there is nothing to “weasel through”: afd got one vote every five voters, it’s insanely high and CDU performance (nor the other parties) were clearly not good enough; okay CDU+CSU are only one party, great, they still got a 9% more than a neonazi party.
And btw, in this whole thing the only one pedantic about it is you (and the other user) since be it 21 or 29, it’s less than a 10% away to becoming the largest party in Germany
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view from the mod
View from a user: removing my original comment because you disagree is a dick move, period. Not trying to weasel through anything since there is nothing to “weasel through”: afd got one vote every five voters, it’s insanely high and CDU performance (nor the other parties) were clearly not good enough; okay CDU+CSU are only one party, great, they still got a 9% more than a neonazi party.
And btw, in this whole thing the only one pedantic about it is you (and the other user) since be it 21 or 29, it’s less than a 10% away to becoming the largest party in Germany
I don't think anybody claimed that CxU had a great showing. Or that Afd's percentage is somehow a good sign.
The contested point was that you insisted that CDU only did 2% better than Afd which is completely misleading. Hence I removed that for "misinfomation".
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I don't think anybody claimed that CxU had a great showing. Or that Afd's percentage is somehow a good sign.
The contested point was that you insisted that CDU only did 2% better than Afd which is completely misleading. Hence I removed that for "misinfomation".
Okay, and you could have said that instead of “implying” I wanted to be correct on some pointless technicality, more so when I had already explained what I meant and what I wanted to highlight
