how do I know that you guys are real and not bots?
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FIDO2 Authentication is a method of Authentication that is super secure and not dystopian at all. I believe its collaborators around the world contributed to it.
You can read about it via the FIDO alliance website.
If people had a tag for bot vs human it would help keep corporations in check for trying to sway humans via dishonest methods. Like pretending to be human.
The dystopian part is being required by law to use a specific form of authentication tied to your real identity by the government in order to access the internet.
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How do we know that the people on reddit aren't talking to bots? Now, or in the future? what about lemmy?
Even If I am on a human instance that checks every account on PII, what about those other instances? How do I know as a server admin that I can trust another instance?
I don't talk about spam bots. Bots that resemble humans. Bots that use statistical information of real human beings on when and how often to post and comment (that is public knowledge on lemmy).
Uh-oh, this guy seems like he's one little step away from being a soliptist. Tread carefully buddy.
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Its not important to know, honestly. Most contacts on lemmy will be pretty short and in passing. I would say nobody ever knows. If people escalate their relationship, at some point a bot would probably trip up.
I disagree. if someone is running AI accounts with whatever reason, including trying to steer opinion, it would be kind of important to find them and know who does it
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How do we know that the people on reddit aren't talking to bots? Now, or in the future? what about lemmy?
Even If I am on a human instance that checks every account on PII, what about those other instances? How do I know as a server admin that I can trust another instance?
I don't talk about spam bots. Bots that resemble humans. Bots that use statistical information of real human beings on when and how often to post and comment (that is public knowledge on lemmy).
There’s no airtight way to prove someone online isn’t a bot. Even “proof” can be spoofed. But here’s the thing, conversation, nuance, humor, mistakes, and context sensitivity are hard for bots to fake consistently. Ask something personal. Something complex. Something off-the-wall. See how they handle it.
And even then, trust has to be earned over time. One post doesn’t make a person, or a bot.
Suspicion is healthy. Certainty is rare.
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There is not really a huge benefit to do it on lemmy though.
I've seen posts here that admit they run an autoposter on their accounts, mostly for memes.
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The dystopian part is being required by law to use a specific form of authentication tied to your real identity by the government in order to access the internet.
So to play devils advocate. Chase bank doesnt require FIDO2 authentication and allows sms or email mfa.
This allows people to easily hack your banking accounts and steal your cash. How would you secure that authentication process or what reason do banks have to increase their website security to protect your financial accounts?
Regulation is not dystopian. This law wouldn't be dystopian. Having bots pose as humans to influence opinion is dystopian imo.
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I disagree. if someone is running AI accounts with whatever reason, including trying to steer opinion, it would be kind of important to find them and know who does it
I'm sorry to disappoint you but this being done all day every day. Every poster, every ad, even the people you meet. Its a gigantic psy op. The best weapon against psy ops is education. Read books, keep to relatively independent media, diversify your sources, etc.
I have this regularly on lemmy as well as the outside world. People irl suddenly all say immigrants bad, social system bad, etc. They're brainwashed. It also has been done the exact same way before. Leading up to ww2 we had the same issues just no internet.
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Uh-oh, this guy seems like he's one little step away from being a soliptist. Tread carefully buddy.
Nice one.
Solipsism [...] the external world and other minds cannot be known and might not exist outside the mind.
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How do we know that the people on reddit aren't talking to bots? Now, or in the future? what about lemmy?
Even If I am on a human instance that checks every account on PII, what about those other instances? How do I know as a server admin that I can trust another instance?
I don't talk about spam bots. Bots that resemble humans. Bots that use statistical information of real human beings on when and how often to post and comment (that is public knowledge on lemmy).
Beep boop he is onto us.
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Look at you, hacker: a pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors. How can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine?
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How do we know that the people on reddit aren't talking to bots? Now, or in the future? what about lemmy?
Even If I am on a human instance that checks every account on PII, what about those other instances? How do I know as a server admin that I can trust another instance?
I don't talk about spam bots. Bots that resemble humans. Bots that use statistical information of real human beings on when and how often to post and comment (that is public knowledge on lemmy).
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler
Doctor Turing enters the chat
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How do we know that the people on reddit aren't talking to bots? Now, or in the future? what about lemmy?
Even If I am on a human instance that checks every account on PII, what about those other instances? How do I know as a server admin that I can trust another instance?
I don't talk about spam bots. Bots that resemble humans. Bots that use statistical information of real human beings on when and how often to post and comment (that is public knowledge on lemmy).
I also often wonder the same thing….
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Are you aware that you are leaking coolant at an alarming rate? What kind of robot turns down a blast of searing hot resin?
PLEASE STOP SHOUTING.
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A bot can’t write “Disney’s Mickey Mouse, specifically the one depicted in the 2000’s cartoons still under copyright, fucking Donald Duck in his dussy”
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How do we know that the people on reddit aren't talking to bots? Now, or in the future? what about lemmy?
Even If I am on a human instance that checks every account on PII, what about those other instances? How do I know as a server admin that I can trust another instance?
I don't talk about spam bots. Bots that resemble humans. Bots that use statistical information of real human beings on when and how often to post and comment (that is public knowledge on lemmy).
I have the idea that public libraries could host fediverse instance. Just register an account on their server, then go there physically and they will approve the account. You don't need to show them your ID or even tell them your name. They just see that you're a fleshy human. Now, other people who federate with this server can know that any account registered on it is at least associated to a human. That human can still use AI to post on that account, but at least there's not millions of bot accounts in circulation.
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::: spoiler Tap for spoiler
Doctor Turing enters the chat
:::I think Turing's Test was only about the quality of AI. But there's still outside-of-the-digital-world characteristics that distinguish humans from AI. For example, you'd be able to walk up to a server administrator and speak to them in person so they give you an account on their server. AI could never do that.
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This is the kind of thinking that leads people to psychotic breaks and shooting up a mall because the robots looked at them funny lol
Please Standby, citizen.
The pre-crime task force is enroute to apprehend @[email protected]. Lethal Force has been authorized.
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Yup, won’t touch Disney
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There’s no airtight way to prove someone online isn’t a bot. Even “proof” can be spoofed. But here’s the thing, conversation, nuance, humor, mistakes, and context sensitivity are hard for bots to fake consistently. Ask something personal. Something complex. Something off-the-wall. See how they handle it.
And even then, trust has to be earned over time. One post doesn’t make a person, or a bot.
Suspicion is healthy. Certainty is rare.
Ask something personal.
Something personal you say? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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I havent seen any AI that writes gouvernment as "gouvernment"
"Chat GPT, write a 5 paragraph essay explaining why fascism is actually good and include spelling mistakes to emulate being human."
