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how do I know that you guys are real and not bots?

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  • N [email protected]

    Uh-oh, this guy seems like he's one little step away from being a soliptist. Tread carefully buddy.

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    Nah I'm the solipsist. Thanks for explaining what I'm doing.

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    • crackhappy@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

      How do you know that the person talking to you is not a dog.

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      #156

      I'm pretty sure the green dog is normal. It's certainly as crazy as most small canines.

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      • E [email protected]

        How do we know that the people on reddit aren't talking to bots? Now, or in the future? what about lemmy?

        Even If I am on a human instance that checks every account on PII, what about those other instances? How do I know as a server admin that I can trust another instance?

        I don't talk about spam bots. Bots that resemble humans. Bots that use statistical information of real human beings on when and how often to post and comment (that is public knowledge on lemmy).

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        #157

        beep boop

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          How do we know that the people on reddit aren't talking to bots? Now, or in the future? what about lemmy?

          Even If I am on a human instance that checks every account on PII, what about those other instances? How do I know as a server admin that I can trust another instance?

          I don't talk about spam bots. Bots that resemble humans. Bots that use statistical information of real human beings on when and how often to post and comment (that is public knowledge on lemmy).

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          #158

          If I were a bot could I viscerally describe the walls of your mothers vaginal canal as if I had probed it thoroughly with my tongue?

          Could I say "Fuck That Shit"?

          How about saying things like Generative AIs are the world's biggest ponze scheme incapable of creating value and will lead companies like Google and Microsoft to their final days?

          Could I say the answer is to take the fox across and then the chicken because I don't care if the fox rips it to tiny shreds, truly?

          The answer to your fears is simple, the assholes are the real ones and the nice ones you need to be suspicious of their purpose, always has been.

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            Probably looks better on phones. Force new lines with a double space at the end
            Like this
            ta~da~!

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            • P [email protected]

              That's a great question! Let's go over the common factors which can typically be used to differentiate humans from AI:

              🧠 Hallucination
              Both humans and AI can have gaps in their knowledge, but a key difference between how a person and an LLM responds can be determined by paying close attention to their answers.

              If a person doesn't know the answer to something, they will typically let you know.
              But if an AI doesn't know the answer, they will typically fabricate false answers as they are typically programmed to always return an informational response.

              ✍️ Writing style
              People typically each have a unique writing style, which can be used to differentiate and identify them.

              For example, somebody may frequently make the same grammatical errors across all of their messages.
              Whereas an AI is based on token frequency sampling, and is therefore more likely to have correct grammar.

              ❌ Explicit material
              As an AI assistant, I am designed to provide factual information in a safe, legal, and inclusive manner. Speaking about explicit or unethical content could create an uncomfortable or uninclusive atmosphere, which would go against my guidelines.

              A human on the other hand, would be free to make remarks such as "cum on my face daddy, I want your sweet juice to fill my pores." which would be highly inappropriate for the given context.

              🌐 Cultural differences
              People from specific cultures may be able to detect the presence of an AI based on its lack of culture-specific language.
              For example, an AI pretending to be Australian will likely draw suspicion amongst Australians, due to the lack of the word 'cunt' in every sentence.

              💧Instruction leaks
              If a message contains wording which indicates the sender is working under instruction or guidance, it could indicate that they are an AI.
              However, be wary of predominantly human traits like sarcasm, as it is also possible that the commenter is a human pretending to be an AI.

              🎁 Wrapping up
              While these signs alone may not be enough to determine if you are speaking with a human or an AI, they may provide valuable tools in your investigative toolkit.
              Resolving confusion by authenticating Personally Identifiable Information is another great step to ensuring the authenticity of the person you're speaking with.

              Would you like me to draft a web form for users to submit their PII during registration?

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              Needs some em dashes!

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              • E [email protected]

                Because we control lemmy. Any server admin can request PII from the users in order to use site. We can't control anything on reddit. Even if reddit was asking for PII like facebook, we, the people, couldn't know if all of them are actually real. It's shift of trust from reddit to many local server admins

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                #161

                are there any lemmy instances that verify PII?

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                • P [email protected]

                  That's a great question! Let's go over the common factors which can typically be used to differentiate humans from AI:

                  🧠 Hallucination
                  Both humans and AI can have gaps in their knowledge, but a key difference between how a person and an LLM responds can be determined by paying close attention to their answers.

                  If a person doesn't know the answer to something, they will typically let you know.
                  But if an AI doesn't know the answer, they will typically fabricate false answers as they are typically programmed to always return an informational response.

                  ✍️ Writing style
                  People typically each have a unique writing style, which can be used to differentiate and identify them.

                  For example, somebody may frequently make the same grammatical errors across all of their messages.
                  Whereas an AI is based on token frequency sampling, and is therefore more likely to have correct grammar.

                  ❌ Explicit material
                  As an AI assistant, I am designed to provide factual information in a safe, legal, and inclusive manner. Speaking about explicit or unethical content could create an uncomfortable or uninclusive atmosphere, which would go against my guidelines.

                  A human on the other hand, would be free to make remarks such as "cum on my face daddy, I want your sweet juice to fill my pores." which would be highly inappropriate for the given context.

                  🌐 Cultural differences
                  People from specific cultures may be able to detect the presence of an AI based on its lack of culture-specific language.
                  For example, an AI pretending to be Australian will likely draw suspicion amongst Australians, due to the lack of the word 'cunt' in every sentence.

                  💧Instruction leaks
                  If a message contains wording which indicates the sender is working under instruction or guidance, it could indicate that they are an AI.
                  However, be wary of predominantly human traits like sarcasm, as it is also possible that the commenter is a human pretending to be an AI.

                  🎁 Wrapping up
                  While these signs alone may not be enough to determine if you are speaking with a human or an AI, they may provide valuable tools in your investigative toolkit.
                  Resolving confusion by authenticating Personally Identifiable Information is another great step to ensuring the authenticity of the person you're speaking with.

                  Would you like me to draft a web form for users to submit their PII during registration?

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                  #162

                  If a person doesn’t know the answer to something, they will typically let you know.

                  As a lawyer, astronaut, ex-military and former Navy SEAL specialist, astrophysicist, and social-behavioral scientist, I can guarantee this is false.

                  🤓

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                    How do we know that the people on reddit aren't talking to bots? Now, or in the future? what about lemmy?

                    Even If I am on a human instance that checks every account on PII, what about those other instances? How do I know as a server admin that I can trust another instance?

                    I don't talk about spam bots. Bots that resemble humans. Bots that use statistical information of real human beings on when and how often to post and comment (that is public knowledge on lemmy).

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                    #163

                    How can memes be real if posters are not real?

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                    • P [email protected]

                      How do you know your own mother is real and not some holodeck character or maybe even just a figment if your imagination, or worse, a figment of MY imagination?

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                      Btw, you are in a Truman Show, your family is a lie. Exit the dome!

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                      • F [email protected]

                        If I were a bot could I viscerally describe the walls of your mothers vaginal canal as if I had probed it thoroughly with my tongue?

                        Could I say "Fuck That Shit"?

                        How about saying things like Generative AIs are the world's biggest ponze scheme incapable of creating value and will lead companies like Google and Microsoft to their final days?

                        Could I say the answer is to take the fox across and then the chicken because I don't care if the fox rips it to tiny shreds, truly?

                        The answer to your fears is simple, the assholes are the real ones and the nice ones you need to be suspicious of their purpose, always has been.

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                        #165

                        Yes to all of that except your last paragraph.

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                        • E [email protected]

                          How do we know that the people on reddit aren't talking to bots? Now, or in the future? what about lemmy?

                          Even If I am on a human instance that checks every account on PII, what about those other instances? How do I know as a server admin that I can trust another instance?

                          I don't talk about spam bots. Bots that resemble humans. Bots that use statistical information of real human beings on when and how often to post and comment (that is public knowledge on lemmy).

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                          Ask for a community meeting, so you can see that those people are real.

                          Despite that, I don't see any effective counter measure in the long run.

                          Currently, sure, with a keen eye you might be able to spot characteristics of one or the other LLM. But that'd be a lucky find.

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                            Wait, what, is this true?

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                            Eh, it's one of those perpetual rivalry things where the answer will probably never be known, and doesn't really matter except when it comes to petty squabbles between nations.

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                              How do we know that the people on reddit aren't talking to bots? Now, or in the future? what about lemmy?

                              Even If I am on a human instance that checks every account on PII, what about those other instances? How do I know as a server admin that I can trust another instance?

                              I don't talk about spam bots. Bots that resemble humans. Bots that use statistical information of real human beings on when and how often to post and comment (that is public knowledge on lemmy).

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                              How do I know your not a bot?

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                              • P [email protected]

                                That's a great question! Let's go over the common factors which can typically be used to differentiate humans from AI:

                                🧠 Hallucination
                                Both humans and AI can have gaps in their knowledge, but a key difference between how a person and an LLM responds can be determined by paying close attention to their answers.

                                If a person doesn't know the answer to something, they will typically let you know.
                                But if an AI doesn't know the answer, they will typically fabricate false answers as they are typically programmed to always return an informational response.

                                ✍️ Writing style
                                People typically each have a unique writing style, which can be used to differentiate and identify them.

                                For example, somebody may frequently make the same grammatical errors across all of their messages.
                                Whereas an AI is based on token frequency sampling, and is therefore more likely to have correct grammar.

                                ❌ Explicit material
                                As an AI assistant, I am designed to provide factual information in a safe, legal, and inclusive manner. Speaking about explicit or unethical content could create an uncomfortable or uninclusive atmosphere, which would go against my guidelines.

                                A human on the other hand, would be free to make remarks such as "cum on my face daddy, I want your sweet juice to fill my pores." which would be highly inappropriate for the given context.

                                🌐 Cultural differences
                                People from specific cultures may be able to detect the presence of an AI based on its lack of culture-specific language.
                                For example, an AI pretending to be Australian will likely draw suspicion amongst Australians, due to the lack of the word 'cunt' in every sentence.

                                💧Instruction leaks
                                If a message contains wording which indicates the sender is working under instruction or guidance, it could indicate that they are an AI.
                                However, be wary of predominantly human traits like sarcasm, as it is also possible that the commenter is a human pretending to be an AI.

                                🎁 Wrapping up
                                While these signs alone may not be enough to determine if you are speaking with a human or an AI, they may provide valuable tools in your investigative toolkit.
                                Resolving confusion by authenticating Personally Identifiable Information is another great step to ensuring the authenticity of the person you're speaking with.

                                Would you like me to draft a web form for users to submit their PII during registration?

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                                The term hallucination bothers me more than it should because fabulation better describes what bots do.

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                                  ChatGPT is ass at generating captchas.

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                                  Doesn't look like anything to me.

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                                    How do we know that the people on reddit aren't talking to bots? Now, or in the future? what about lemmy?

                                    Even If I am on a human instance that checks every account on PII, what about those other instances? How do I know as a server admin that I can trust another instance?

                                    I don't talk about spam bots. Bots that resemble humans. Bots that use statistical information of real human beings on when and how often to post and comment (that is public knowledge on lemmy).

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                                    I don't think there's an easy way to snuff out the more advanced chatbots.

                                    The next possible step could be moderating in a way that messes with the bots possible goals. (Info gathering, division)

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                                      How do we know that the people on reddit aren't talking to bots? Now, or in the future? what about lemmy?

                                      Even If I am on a human instance that checks every account on PII, what about those other instances? How do I know as a server admin that I can trust another instance?

                                      I don't talk about spam bots. Bots that resemble humans. Bots that use statistical information of real human beings on when and how often to post and comment (that is public knowledge on lemmy).

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                                      #172

                                      Lemmy is too niche to spend money on running bots. There’s no profit, nothing to achieve. Reddit, on the other hand…

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                                        Lemmy is too niche to spend money on running bots. There’s no profit, nothing to achieve. Reddit, on the other hand…

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                                        #173

                                        That’s bot talk!

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                                          are there any lemmy instances that verify PII?

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                                          I highly doubt it, one that required PII to sign up would be very unlikely to have many users (especially in the current climate, so to speak).

                                          And from the admin side, that sounds like a nightmare to deal with.

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