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6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

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  • merc@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

    I completely disagree. Debian is not beginner-friendly. Go with Bazzite if your focus is gaming.

    It is a gaming-focused distribution. It's also an "atomic" distribution, which basically means it's really hard to break it. It's more like Android or IOS where the OS and base system are managed by someone else. They're read-only so you can't accidentally break them.

    For example, instead of trying to manage your own video card drivers, they come packaged with the base system image, and they're tested to make sure they work with all the other base components.

    I've been using Linux since the 1990s, so I've run my share of distributions: Slackware, RedHat, Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu, etc. Even for someone experienced, atomic distributions are great. But, for a newcomer they're so much better.

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    How does Bazzite fare when I want to do something a bit different. Install docker, Python, PHP, sqlite, etc. I'd normally just install them, but does this work for Bazzite and other atomic/immutable distros?

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      Why? Nothing requires Windows 11. It doesn't even have a new directx which is why most had to upgrade from 7. Browsers and malware software will work for years. Hell malwarbytes still updates for Window 7.

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        Linux. I've been putting if off because of hardware reasons that would be annoying to explain beyond the solution is upgrading the motherboard, which is bottlenecking me anyways.

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          I don't know. If more devs start to support Linux, I probably will.

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            I play many kinds of games. Using a Windows emulator in Linux doesn't count as "running on Linux"

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            If the game plays on your linux distro who cares what you call it?

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            • ttangko@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

              I'd consider switching if somebody spoonfed me into being able to use/know it's basics.

              I am currently way too overstimulated with switching to privacy-focused and less (US-)corpo-reigned alternatives (like lemmy instead of reddit)

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              I installed Linux on a raspberry pi recently (first time using Linux in 15+ years), and in addition to reading stuff on Lemmy, I found that this is a really good use case for chatgpt or similar LLMs.

              I was able to get chatgpt to explain stuff to me, ask it to dumb it down further, provide examples, correct my incorrect assumptions, etc.

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                Why need upgrade at all? I've never needed "support" before

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                  I still use steam on Windows 7. I don't see the problem.

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                  Do you worry about connecting it to the internet?

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                    Jumping to Linux for sure. The hardest part is going to be finding time to learn it first...

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                    Have you considered making a Linux virtual machine now, and learning small things a few minutes at a time between other tasks? That ought to give you a head start when it comes time to commit.

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                      Been using Linux for years and the only issue with it is the incompetence of big studios. And them going out of their way to make sure stuff doesn't work on Linux.

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                        Why need upgrade at all? I've never needed "support" before

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                        I hope this is a sarcastic joke.

                        If it’s not, support means updates. More importantly security updates.

                        There is a reason you don’t put a windows XP machine on the internet.

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                          Why need upgrade at all? I've never needed "support" before

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                          The "support" most importantly includes security updates. You better bet every hacking group has been working at finding fresh zero days for Windows 10 and is stockpiling them to start hammering any PCs that can't be upgraded this October

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                          • the_picard_maneuver@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                            I installed Linux on a raspberry pi recently (first time using Linux in 15+ years), and in addition to reading stuff on Lemmy, I found that this is a really good use case for chatgpt or similar LLMs.

                            I was able to get chatgpt to explain stuff to me, ask it to dumb it down further, provide examples, correct my incorrect assumptions, etc.

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                            LLMs have been trained so heavily on Linux documentation that you can even have it hallucinate a Linux terminal at you!

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                              Switch to Linux. As a big-time gamer, I did it last year and it’s been fantastic. Only issue is if you main games with root kit anticheat…but with enough momentum in Linux direction, game studios will be forced to abandon those dubious detection methods anyway.

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                              Another big component that makes it hard to switch for some is also the fact that many programs and web apps won’t work on Linux.

                              As an example , if you use peacock on your browser to watch things like wrestling PLEs, peacock(and other services) straight up block Linux users.

                              It’s annoying when the product will work but it’s being gatekept by these greedy fucking companies.

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                                Why? Nothing requires Windows 11. It doesn't even have a new directx which is why most had to upgrade from 7. Browsers and malware software will work for years. Hell malwarbytes still updates for Window 7.

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                                You really don’t understand security updates.

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                                  Why need upgrade at all? I've never needed "support" before

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                                  Think of it this way:

                                  Would you rather leave door wide open and signs saying come inside and take all the info about me, along with all my moment

                                  Or

                                  Have your data, & money protected in all kinds of defense systems so it makes billions times harder to take all of that

                                  That's what security updates are for. Same for other apps as well when they find things bad actors will try to exploit

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                                    I’m on 12, and will be upgrading to 13 when Trixie hits stable.

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                                      Would you mind sharing a couple of the names of the programs that only work on Windows for you? I'm a bit curious.

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                                      I'm not the OP but I have a similar situation. I work in multimedia design and use a wide array of software from the full Adobe suite, to in-house command line apps, to the Articulate suite and everything in between.

                                      I'd love to be on Linux but that just isn't a possibility for me.

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                                      • dave@lemmy.nzD [email protected]

                                        How does Bazzite fare when I want to do something a bit different. Install docker, Python, PHP, sqlite, etc. I'd normally just install them, but does this work for Bazzite and other atomic/immutable distros?

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                                        So, there are multiple ways of installing things. For GUI apps the standard way is flatpaks. Some non-GUI things are installed that way, but it's less common.

                                        For CLI apps, homebrew is installed by default and it's recommended as a way to install CLI things.

                                        The method I like for apps that have a lot of interdependencies is to use a distrobox. If you want a development environment where multiple apps all talk to each-other, you can isolate them on their own distrobox and install them however you like there.

                                        I currently have a distrobox running ubuntu that I use for a kubernetes project. In that distrobox I install anything I need with apt, or sometimes from source. Within that kubernetes project I use mise-en-place to manage tools just for that particular sub-project. What I like about doing things this way is that when I'm working on that project I have all the tools I need, and don't have to worry about the tools for other projects. My base bazzite image is basically unchanged, but my k8s project is highly customized.

                                        If you really want to, you can still install RPMs as overlays to the base system, it's just not recommended because that slows down upgrades.

                                        More details here:

                                        https://docs.bazzite.gg/Installing_and_Managing_Software/

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                                          Think of it this way:

                                          Would you rather leave door wide open and signs saying come inside and take all the info about me, along with all my moment

                                          Or

                                          Have your data, & money protected in all kinds of defense systems so it makes billions times harder to take all of that

                                          That's what security updates are for. Same for other apps as well when they find things bad actors will try to exploit

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                                          In fairness, after October that security system will still be in place. The difference is that as soon as attackers finds a bypass, the security system will be worthless against future threats

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