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6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

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  • dave@lemmy.nzD [email protected]

    How does Bazzite fare when I want to do something a bit different. Install docker, Python, PHP, sqlite, etc. I'd normally just install them, but does this work for Bazzite and other atomic/immutable distros?

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    So, there are multiple ways of installing things. For GUI apps the standard way is flatpaks. Some non-GUI things are installed that way, but it's less common.

    For CLI apps, homebrew is installed by default and it's recommended as a way to install CLI things.

    The method I like for apps that have a lot of interdependencies is to use a distrobox. If you want a development environment where multiple apps all talk to each-other, you can isolate them on their own distrobox and install them however you like there.

    I currently have a distrobox running ubuntu that I use for a kubernetes project. In that distrobox I install anything I need with apt, or sometimes from source. Within that kubernetes project I use mise-en-place to manage tools just for that particular sub-project. What I like about doing things this way is that when I'm working on that project I have all the tools I need, and don't have to worry about the tools for other projects. My base bazzite image is basically unchanged, but my k8s project is highly customized.

    If you really want to, you can still install RPMs as overlays to the base system, it's just not recommended because that slows down upgrades.

    More details here:

    https://docs.bazzite.gg/Installing_and_Managing_Software/

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      Think of it this way:

      Would you rather leave door wide open and signs saying come inside and take all the info about me, along with all my moment

      Or

      Have your data, & money protected in all kinds of defense systems so it makes billions times harder to take all of that

      That's what security updates are for. Same for other apps as well when they find things bad actors will try to exploit

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      In fairness, after October that security system will still be in place. The difference is that as soon as attackers finds a bypass, the security system will be worthless against future threats

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        Would you mind sharing a couple of the names of the programs that only work on Windows for you? I'm a bit curious.

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        I'm not Tyler Bourbon, but it's Fusion 360 for me. I sound like a broken record at this point, but it's the only piece of software that keeps a windows install in my house

        Hey Autodesk you should put F360 on Linux

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        • zewm@lemmy.worldZ [email protected]

          Another big component that makes it hard to switch for some is also the fact that many programs and web apps won’t work on Linux.

          As an example , if you use peacock on your browser to watch things like wrestling PLEs, peacock(and other services) straight up block Linux users.

          It’s annoying when the product will work but it’s being gatekept by these greedy fucking companies.

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          Are they somehow able to detect the OS by something other than the user agent headers or have you tried changing your user agent?

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            Sadly I use way too many programs that only work on windows or Mac that Linux would handicap me. The free open source versions of yhe apps I use are no where near as capable.

            My only option I can think of would be running a virtual machine of Win10 on a Linux install so I can still use those apps.

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            Unfortunately, any app that needs a GPU would be difficult to work with in a VM. You have to manually set up GPU-passthru, which requires figuring out the PCI addresses and whatnot of your card, along with using a terminal. As I understand it, this process also prevents you from using that GPU outside of the VM, which is cruddy.

            I was hoping to have a Linux Mint + Windows 11 VM back in January, but that didn't work out. I am hoping that the upcoming SteamOS Desktop would make Linux friendly enough for games that aren't native to Steam, such as my GOG collection, Window 3.1 stuff like Stars!, modding, and assorted Japanese locale games.

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              Depends on how you define security.

              Is win11 more cryptographically secure, absolutely.

              Does that matter if you don't trust the holder of the keys (the Microsoft keys stored in the tpm) not really.

              implementing a more secure platform doesn't mean much if the only way you are doing it is by handing over control to a third party.

              Would you trust a better lock on your front door if it meant a proven bad actor was the one who could unlock it?

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              If the EU is allowed to employ guards in MS's buildings and to roll their own secured version of Windows, I wouldn't mind sticking to Windows 11 EU. On the other paw, if DOGE is given access to Microsoft, I shall flee to Linux. Hopefully, SteamOS Desktop will be a thing if the latter happens.

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              • monstrosity@lemm.eeM [email protected]

                PopOS (scroll down to the "Pop_OS with Nvidia" link).

                It is tailored for Nvidia cards, is Debian(Ubuntu) based, & super friendly for new users.

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                Saving this.

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                • starman2112@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

                  In fairness, after October that security system will still be in place. The difference is that as soon as attackers finds a bypass, the security system will be worthless against future threats

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                  I wouldn't be surprised if there are some exploits that have already been discovered that people have been sitting on in anticipation of support ending soon.

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                    I left Windows ~2-3 years ago since I got tired of having to keep up with ways to disable the MS account requirements or disable the ads every time there is a major version upgrade on a platform I use every day.

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                      The "support" most importantly includes security updates. You better bet every hacking group has been working at finding fresh zero days for Windows 10 and is stockpiling them to start hammering any PCs that can't be upgraded this October

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                      Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but didn't MS push important security updates to Win7 even after end of support?

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                        Have you considered making a Linux virtual machine now, and learning small things a few minutes at a time between other tasks? That ought to give you a head start when it comes time to commit.

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                        I like to suffer

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                          It has been already 2 years for me, I have no intention of looking back. It even works better than Windows at times.

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                            I still use steam on Windows 7. I don't see the problem.

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                            Just please make sure it's not internet connected if you value such things as your privacy, and bank accounts not being breached extremely easily. End of security support is no joke.

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                              20 years for me (even thought I used Windows for a year in there).

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                                Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but didn't MS push important security updates to Win7 even after end of support?

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                                They are doing that only for paying users for 10

                                https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-supports-ends-on-october-14-2025-2ca8b313-1946-43d3-b55c-2b95b107f281

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                                • kairubyte@lemmy.dbzer0.comK [email protected]

                                  I was pointing out that M$ neither made other hardware that doesn’t support W11, or (directly) profits from hardware being outside support for W11. So planned obsolescence doesn’t really apply in any way to 99% of cases people try to say it does.

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                                  Okay I understand now, but I think the formulation could have been better then😇

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                                    I am on Fedora. But i still have Windows dual boot left. But I dont use Windows 10 that often - I don't see the need. I just have it as a backup OS. I have free enough free diskspace on my SSD so currently not doing anything.

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                                      Switching to Linux with no intentions of moving back. I'm fed up with MS. I'm not settled on which distro (and I don't want to distro hop on my main machine) but I know for sure that I'm switching.

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                                        Linux for gaming and most other use cases, Windows for the one proprietary application I use. Although I suppose I might go IoT LTSC.

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                                          20 years for me (even thought I used Windows for a year in there).

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                                          There's also the issue of people who regularly play games with kernel AC, particularly with studios who intentionally refuse Linux support.

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