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6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

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  • T [email protected]

    Depends on how you define security.

    Is win11 more cryptographically secure, absolutely.

    Does that matter if you don't trust the holder of the keys (the Microsoft keys stored in the tpm) not really.

    implementing a more secure platform doesn't mean much if the only way you are doing it is by handing over control to a third party.

    Would you trust a better lock on your front door if it meant a proven bad actor was the one who could unlock it?

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    If the EU is allowed to employ guards in MS's buildings and to roll their own secured version of Windows, I wouldn't mind sticking to Windows 11 EU. On the other paw, if DOGE is given access to Microsoft, I shall flee to Linux. Hopefully, SteamOS Desktop will be a thing if the latter happens.

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    • monstrosity@lemm.eeM [email protected]

      PopOS (scroll down to the "Pop_OS with Nvidia" link).

      It is tailored for Nvidia cards, is Debian(Ubuntu) based, & super friendly for new users.

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      Saving this.

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      • starman2112@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

        In fairness, after October that security system will still be in place. The difference is that as soon as attackers finds a bypass, the security system will be worthless against future threats

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        I wouldn't be surprised if there are some exploits that have already been discovered that people have been sitting on in anticipation of support ending soon.

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        • the_picard_maneuver@lemmy.worldT [email protected]
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          I left Windows ~2-3 years ago since I got tired of having to keep up with ways to disable the MS account requirements or disable the ads every time there is a major version upgrade on a platform I use every day.

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          • T [email protected]

            The "support" most importantly includes security updates. You better bet every hacking group has been working at finding fresh zero days for Windows 10 and is stockpiling them to start hammering any PCs that can't be upgraded this October

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            Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but didn't MS push important security updates to Win7 even after end of support?

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            • W [email protected]

              Have you considered making a Linux virtual machine now, and learning small things a few minutes at a time between other tasks? That ought to give you a head start when it comes time to commit.

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              I like to suffer

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                It has been already 2 years for me, I have no intention of looking back. It even works better than Windows at times.

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                  I still use steam on Windows 7. I don't see the problem.

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                  Just please make sure it's not internet connected if you value such things as your privacy, and bank accounts not being breached extremely easily. End of security support is no joke.

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                    20 years for me (even thought I used Windows for a year in there).

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                    • R [email protected]

                      Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but didn't MS push important security updates to Win7 even after end of support?

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                      They are doing that only for paying users for 10

                      https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-supports-ends-on-october-14-2025-2ca8b313-1946-43d3-b55c-2b95b107f281

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                      • kairubyte@lemmy.dbzer0.comK [email protected]

                        I was pointing out that M$ neither made other hardware that doesn’t support W11, or (directly) profits from hardware being outside support for W11. So planned obsolescence doesn’t really apply in any way to 99% of cases people try to say it does.

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                        Okay I understand now, but I think the formulation could have been better then😇

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                          I am on Fedora. But i still have Windows dual boot left. But I dont use Windows 10 that often - I don't see the need. I just have it as a backup OS. I have free enough free diskspace on my SSD so currently not doing anything.

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                            Switching to Linux with no intentions of moving back. I'm fed up with MS. I'm not settled on which distro (and I don't want to distro hop on my main machine) but I know for sure that I'm switching.

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                              Linux for gaming and most other use cases, Windows for the one proprietary application I use. Although I suppose I might go IoT LTSC.

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                                20 years for me (even thought I used Windows for a year in there).

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                                There's also the issue of people who regularly play games with kernel AC, particularly with studios who intentionally refuse Linux support.

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                                  Unfortunately, any app that needs a GPU would be difficult to work with in a VM. You have to manually set up GPU-passthru, which requires figuring out the PCI addresses and whatnot of your card, along with using a terminal. As I understand it, this process also prevents you from using that GPU outside of the VM, which is cruddy.

                                  I was hoping to have a Linux Mint + Windows 11 VM back in January, but that didn't work out. I am hoping that the upcoming SteamOS Desktop would make Linux friendly enough for games that aren't native to Steam, such as my GOG collection, Window 3.1 stuff like Stars!, modding, and assorted Japanese locale games.

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                                  SteamOS isn't going to be the "Windows killer" people think it'll be. I'm a massive Valve and Steam fan but SteamOS isn't any better than any of the other major distros when it comes to gaming.

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                                  • R [email protected]

                                    Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but didn't MS push important security updates to Win7 even after end of support?

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                                    That was an exceptional case, I think with the WannaCry malware. Not something they'll regularly do.

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                                      I technically have a Win10+Linux dual boot setup right now, but I haven't used the Linux install in forever, and I think it's broken. So I'll probably fix this and then use Linux when possible and continue using the unsupported win10 for everything that needs windows.

                                      I remember people mentioning the win10 LTCS version with 10 years support, but I'm not going to buy anything from them. Maybe I'll use it unactived if needed.

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                                        They won't brick it, but you can bet that a lot of people are sitting on unreleased 0-days for win10. It will likely be dangerous to connect to the internet on day 1.

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                                        Luckily I already don't trust the internet already and don't go anywhere online without script blockers and I don't open emails as a rule of thumb. I am sure it will be dangerous, but I am not relying on passive security already.

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                                        • zewm@lemmy.worldZ [email protected]

                                          I hope this is a sarcastic joke.

                                          If it’s not, support means updates. More importantly security updates.

                                          There is a reason you don’t put a windows XP machine on the internet.

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                                          XP might actually be somewhat safe to connect by now. Most of the viruses and worms have updated past it by now.

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