6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
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You are compromising yourself, though I think you'll still get security patches for a bit longer
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I'll upgrade to 11 Enterprise via massgrave.
Sadly with Adobe and some of my online games not supporting Linux, I have to stick with Windows
I'll just try to rip out all the telemetry, etc. via O&O and group policies.Ya I can't live without Adobe suite so same boat
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You'll be more vulnerable to malware because it won't be patched against newly discovered exploits.
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I have no plans to either update to win11 or change back to chanting magic spells at my computer to get it to work (Ubuntu, many years ago).
My computer works and does everything I want it to. Basic internet security and reasonable precautions are sufficient for a low level user like me to stay safe.
The Linux experience has changed quite a lot over the years. You're unlikely to have trouble getting your computer to work with it now.
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What kind of things are holding you back?
I don't want to get into a big debate on it so if you are just curious and have a couple suggestions I'm down to talk about it. But I'm tired of people telling me that my reasoning isn't good enough for them. Like, great, thanks, glad you can be happy with it, but we aren't the same person. So I'd prefer to avoid any conversation where I'm just told to suck it up and deal with something. I am working on finding alternatives but all the ones I've come across so far are coming up short in a way that's non negotiable.
My biggest one is my O365 bundle with office apps, oneNote, and OneDrive.
I am going to be trying out libreoffice and OpenOffice this year to see if I can replace word and excel. Last time I tried they weren't there for me.
OneNote is my second most vital. I'm looking at Notesnook at the moment but I'm really not enthused by a monthly price or the idea of self-hosting in a docker container. I've hated most note apps and OneNote was the only one I've clicked with so far. I refuse to touch markdown so that kills a lot of them. I'm taking notes with minor edits, and I refuse to add markdown to the process just to do that. I also will not be ok with a webapp. I don't like webapps in general.
OneDrive is probably my most vital. I have 1TB for me and 1TB each for 5 family accounts. So 6TB total. And I definitely use the space. On top of that I rely heavily on its integration to the file explorer and the mfa locked personal vault section. I don't want to deal with a web interface or separate app, outside of an authentication hook for the vault, just to access storage.
Outside of the 365 bundle, it's mostly running dedicated game servers that have no Linux option. And that's it I believe. Certainly the most impactful applications. I think most other things I run, I can find acceptable alternatives to or can run in wine or something similar without major issue.
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I honestly think mint is an outdated suggestion for beginners, I think immutability is extremely important for someone who is just starting out, as well as starting on KDE since it’s by far the most developed DE that isn’t gnome and their… design decisions are unfortunate for people coming from windows.
I don’t think we should be recommending mint to beginners anymore, if mint makes an immutable, up to date KDE distro, that’ll change, but until then, I think bazzite is objectively a better starting place for beginners.
The mere fact that it generates a new system for you on update and lets you switch between and rollback automatically is enough for me to say it’s better, but it also has more up to date software, and tons of guides (fedora is one of the most popular distros, and bazzite is essentially identical except with some QoL upgrades).
How common is the story of “I was new to linux and completely broke it”? that’s not a good user experience for someone who’s just starting, it’s intimidating, scary, and I just don’t think it’s the best in the modern era. There’s something to be said about learning from these mistakes, but bazzite essentially makes these mistakes impossible.
Furthermore because of the way bazzite works, package management is completely graphical and requires essentially no intervention on the users part, flathub and immutability pair excellently for this reason.
Cinnamon (the default mint environment) doesn’t and won’t support HDR, the security/performance improvements from wayland, mixed refresh rate displays, mixed DPI displays, fractional scaling, and many other things for a very very long time if at all. I don’t understand the usecase for cinnamon tbh, xfce is great if you need performance but don’t want to make major sacrifices, lmde is great if you need A LOT of performance, cinnamon isn’t particularly performant and just a strictly worse version of kde in my eyes from the perspective of a beginner, anyway.
I have 15 years of linux experience and am willing to infinitely troubleshoot if you add me on matrix.
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I just deleted windows and installed Bazzite Linux. Everything just works
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I'll upgrade to 11 Enterprise via massgrave.
Sadly with Adobe and some of my online games not supporting Linux, I have to stick with Windows
I'll just try to rip out all the telemetry, etc. via O&O and group policies.What is O&O? I'm not to keen on jumping to Linux either, but I REALLY don't like the idea of having recall active and having Microsuck know literally everything I do...
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I hope many of us are able to pick them up cheap instead.
Yes, "reduce, reuse, recycle" in that order. It is better to sell or give away an old PC instead of just sending it for recycling or even landfill.
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You are compromising yourself, though I think you'll still get security patches for a bit longer
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I'll have to use some sort of windows for VR, I need to investigate the various debloat options
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I've enjoyed Linux since Windows MEllennium Edition convinced me that I didn't like paying a lot, in money and time, to be an unpaid product testing guinea pig. A work friend put Windows 2000 on that laptop when ME went bad. I used it until a got a blue screen of death one day, and switched to Linux. The 1st was a $230 ePC that could be had with Windows XP or XanderOS (a flavor of Linux). I chose the latter, and had a great time of it. I've since used Mint and Ubuntu.
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You can't. Every single hack/exploit that goes unpatched will be a gaping door for hackers
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Been Linux exclusively for 20 years. Win 11 sure isn't going to change that
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Yes, "reduce, reuse, recycle" in that order. It is better to sell or give away an old PC instead of just sending it for recycling or even landfill.
Yeah but larger organisations just don't work that way.
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Maybe 43% have hardware that is not supported by Windows 11. And don't want to run windows 11 on unsupported hardware or go through the hassle of even installing on unsupported hardware.
If doing one registry edit and installing Win11 from the iso to bypass the silly "processor unsupported" message is a too high barrier for these 43%, how do you realistically expect these same people to go out of their way and install a Linux distro? Why should they be motivated to learn in which ways it works differently from the Windows architecture? And let's not get started with "unsupported hardware" - even though the Linux experience has gotten so much smoother, it's still not uncommon to have components with subpar or no real support.
Don't get me wrong, I like Linux and I use it for work - but to think a huge part of gamers will switch to Linux with just because they don't want to update their Windows is just illusory.
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I'm a lifelong Windows user and tried Linux many many times but could never wrap my head around it. Recently I installed Nobara and it's exactly the noob-friendly experience I need. All of my games run flawlessly, even the VR game I play. And everything is just FASTER. I never realized how bloated Windows was until now. I can't imagine going back to Windows at this point.
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I don't want to get into a big debate on it so if you are just curious and have a couple suggestions I'm down to talk about it. But I'm tired of people telling me that my reasoning isn't good enough for them. Like, great, thanks, glad you can be happy with it, but we aren't the same person. So I'd prefer to avoid any conversation where I'm just told to suck it up and deal with something. I am working on finding alternatives but all the ones I've come across so far are coming up short in a way that's non negotiable.
My biggest one is my O365 bundle with office apps, oneNote, and OneDrive.
I am going to be trying out libreoffice and OpenOffice this year to see if I can replace word and excel. Last time I tried they weren't there for me.
OneNote is my second most vital. I'm looking at Notesnook at the moment but I'm really not enthused by a monthly price or the idea of self-hosting in a docker container. I've hated most note apps and OneNote was the only one I've clicked with so far. I refuse to touch markdown so that kills a lot of them. I'm taking notes with minor edits, and I refuse to add markdown to the process just to do that. I also will not be ok with a webapp. I don't like webapps in general.
OneDrive is probably my most vital. I have 1TB for me and 1TB each for 5 family accounts. So 6TB total. And I definitely use the space. On top of that I rely heavily on its integration to the file explorer and the mfa locked personal vault section. I don't want to deal with a web interface or separate app, outside of an authentication hook for the vault, just to access storage.
Outside of the 365 bundle, it's mostly running dedicated game servers that have no Linux option. And that's it I believe. Certainly the most impactful applications. I think most other things I run, I can find acceptable alternatives to or can run in wine or something similar without major issue.
I wasn't going to berate you or anything. I was genuinely curious.
I am going to be trying out libreoffice and OpenOffice
LibreOffice is great. I use it on my work system at a medium to larger sized company (every single other person uses o365). I haven't heard anyone complain yet about doc comparability and I haven't had any issues myself.
Stay away from OpenOffice. It's practically a dead product. When Oracle bought OpenOffice, the community forked the project which became LibreOffice. LibreOffice is where all the development and community focus and effort has gone since.
OneNote is my second most vital
I don't have any recommendations here. I've never really found a "perfect" solution for this. Currently I use a few different solutions, but it's all centred around markdown, so they're all interchangeable.
OneDrive is probably my most vital.
I personally wouldn't touch OneDrive with a hundred meter pole. MS does so much screwing around with your data that you can never be sure if the data stored is what you uploaded. They've been known to just up and delete files they scan and think is malicious, even if it's a false positive. Then they're known to scan all your documents for everything, including potential passwords, then use those passwords to open password-protected files and then scan them also.
Then there's the situation from a year or so ago where they automatically switched everyone's documents folder to a "cloud first" folder, where they just auto-uploaded everyone's local files, deleted the local copies, and did it all without user consent or even informing users. And this resulted in all kinds of wild crap like people not having access to their documents because they were offline and were expecting local files. Then some people had their metered data connection getting maxed out. While others couldn't even modify their files or even save a file to their "My Documents" folder because the default storage allocation was far less than the total data of their local files. So effectively the data was held for ransom.
it's mostly running dedicated game servers that have no Linux option.
Most newer games that you can run your own dedicated server will almost certainly have a Linux option, which suggests you might taking about older games, in which case something like Lutris (Wine) might be an option.
But are you hosting these game servers on your desktop?
