Lemmy be like
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AI is bad and people who use it should feel bad.
You mean a subset of LLM that are trained on bad human behaviours
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as an aussie, yeah, then you should stop people from having guns
i honestly wouldn’t be surprised if the total number of gun deaths in australia since we banned guns (1996) was less than the number of gun deaths in the US THIS WEEK
the reason is irrelevant: the cause is obvious… and id have bought the “to stop a tyrannical government” argument a few years ago, but ffs there’s all the kids dying in school and none of the stop the tyrant, so maybe that’s a fucking awful argument and we have it right down under
I’ve never understood how a redneck prepper thinks he’s going to protect himself with a bunch of guns from a government that has millions of soldiers, tanks, machine guns, sidewinder misses and nuclear weapons.
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The algorithm is a bunch of math. It's not until someone wants to run it that it needs any energy.
No shit, chumly. How many times a second do you think that math is "run"?
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Lots of AI is technologically interesting and has tons of potential, but this kind of chatbot and image/video generation stuff we got now is just dumb.
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"B-But you don't understand, AI DESTROYS le epic self employed artists and their bottom line! Art is a sacred thing that we all do for fun and not for work, therefore AI that automates the process is EVIL!"
- Actual thought process of some people
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But he isn't speaking the truth. AI itself is a massive strain on the environment, without any true benefit. You are being fed hype and lies by con men. Data centers being built to supply AIs are using water and electricity at alarming rates, taking away the resources from actual people living nearby, and raising the cost of those utilities at the same time.
https://www.realtor.com/advice/finance/ai-data-centers-homeowner-electric-bills-link/
The same can be said for taking flights to go on holiday.
Flying emits way exponentially more CO2 and supports the oil industry
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Where are you seeing more than 200 upvotes on any post?
Literally this post lol
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Why is the other arrow also pointing up?
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"B-But you don't understand, AI DESTROYS le epic self employed artists and their bottom line! Art is a sacred thing that we all do for fun and not for work, therefore AI that automates the process is EVIL!"
- Actual thought process of some people
Um, have you tried practicing? Just draw a stick figure or hire an artist, this will easily solve all of your problems. You're welcome.
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It's not expensive for me to run a local LLM, I just use the hardware I'm already using for gaming.
Electricity is cheap and most people with a gaming PC probably use more electricity gaming than they would running their own LLM and asking it some questions.I'm also against shoving AI in evening, and not making it Opt-In. I'm also worried about privacy and concentration of power etc.
But just outright saying LLMs are bad is rediculous.
And saying there is no good reason to use them is rediculous. Can we stop doing that.
It's not expensive for me to run a local LLM, I just use the hardware I'm already using for gaming. Electricity is cheap and most people with a gaming PC probably use more electricity gaming than they would running their own LLM and asking it some questions.
I don't personally know the monetary cost of running one of these things locally, and I should be more informed before I make sweeping statements.
I'm also against shoving AI in evening, and not making it Opt-In. I'm also worried about privacy and concentration of power etc.
Then we are on the same page
But just outright saying LLMs are bad is rediculous.
I didn't say that, in fact I said that I didn't have a problem with them as a concept, go back to the previous point for a reason why someone might have instant dislike of "AI"
And saying there is no good reason to use them is rediculous. Can we stop doing that.
I also didn't say that. I just said your examples weren't good uses of it. I happen to think that there are very good applications for this technology, but none of those are publicly available GenAI slop and soulless automation systems/assistants that are really just corporate spyware to collect advertising data.
If you want a "smart home" with voice commands because it make you feel like Tony Stark talking to Jarvis go right ahead, but don't pretend that your locally run LLM is what people are talking about when they level criticism against "AI" (or even if they just say 'AI bad')
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It's not expensive for me to run a local LLM, I just use the hardware I'm already using for gaming. Electricity is cheap and most people with a gaming PC probably use more electricity gaming than they would running their own LLM and asking it some questions.
I don't personally know the monetary cost of running one of these things locally, and I should be more informed before I make sweeping statements.
I'm also against shoving AI in evening, and not making it Opt-In. I'm also worried about privacy and concentration of power etc.
Then we are on the same page
But just outright saying LLMs are bad is rediculous.
I didn't say that, in fact I said that I didn't have a problem with them as a concept, go back to the previous point for a reason why someone might have instant dislike of "AI"
And saying there is no good reason to use them is rediculous. Can we stop doing that.
I also didn't say that. I just said your examples weren't good uses of it. I happen to think that there are very good applications for this technology, but none of those are publicly available GenAI slop and soulless automation systems/assistants that are really just corporate spyware to collect advertising data.
If you want a "smart home" with voice commands because it make you feel like Tony Stark talking to Jarvis go right ahead, but don't pretend that your locally run LLM is what people are talking about when they level criticism against "AI" (or even if they just say 'AI bad')
You didn't say that no, but people here do say those things.
It's basically how this thread started.
I'm on the same page with a lot of the hate for AI and fears of it, but let's not pretend it's just all bad.
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"B-But you don't understand, AI DESTROYS le epic self employed artists and their bottom line! Art is a sacred thing that we all do for fun and not for work, therefore AI that automates the process is EVIL!"
- Actual thought process of some people
AI does do this to a subsection. Claiming that everyone is overreacting is just as stupid and lacks the same amount of nuance as claiming AI is going to ruin all self employed artists.
Also this ignores AI companies stealing blatnatly copyrighted material to feed their AI. As an artist I rather not have some randoms steal my stuff so some mid-tier corporation can generate their logos and advertisements without paying for it
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Why is the other arrow also pointing up?
Because I used AI slop to create this shitpost lol.
So naturally it would make mistake.There are other mistakes in the image too
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Because I used AI slop to create this shitpost lol.
So naturally it would make mistake.There are other mistakes in the image too
You used AI to make a stickfigure comic? Damn.
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You used AI to make a stickfigure comic? Damn.
I mostly used it for irony, this is a shitpost after all and to make the orange arrow blue.
But it messed some other things up along the way.
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AI does do this to a subsection. Claiming that everyone is overreacting is just as stupid and lacks the same amount of nuance as claiming AI is going to ruin all self employed artists.
Also this ignores AI companies stealing blatnatly copyrighted material to feed their AI. As an artist I rather not have some randoms steal my stuff so some mid-tier corporation can generate their logos and advertisements without paying for it
Not claiming that everyone is overreacting, but how stupid a lot of anti-AI arguments are. Artists drawing art for a living gets painted not as a job, but as some sort of a fun recreational activity ignoring that artists have to do commissions or draw whatever's popular with their fan base that pays their bills via patreon, which in other words is the process of commodifying oneself aka work.
Also this ignores AI companies stealing blatnatly copyrighted material to feed their AI.
Not saying that you're necessarily one of those people, but this argument often pops up in leftist spaces who previously were anti-IP, which is a bit hypocritical. One moment people are against intellectual property, calling it abusable, restrictive, etc, but once small artists start getting attacked then the concept has to be defended.
As an artist
womp womp you'll have to get a real job now /s
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Lots of AI is technologically interesting and has tons of potential, but this kind of chatbot and image/video generation stuff we got now is just dumb.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I firmly believe we won't get most of the interesting, "good" AI until after this current AI bubble bursts and goes down in flames. Once AI hardware is cheap interesting people will use it to make cool things. But right now, the big players in the space are drowning out anyone who might do real AI work that has potential, by throwing more and more hardware and money at LLMs and generative AI models because they don't understand the technology and see it as a way to get rich and powerful quickly.
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You didn't say that no, but people here do say those things.
It's basically how this thread started.
I'm on the same page with a lot of the hate for AI and fears of it, but let's not pretend it's just all bad.
Just because it isn't all bad doesn't mean that a significant portion of it is in fact, bad.
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You mean it’s going to outsource the labour to children in third world countries?
More or less
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i’m pro-AI (with huuuuge caveats) but i disagree with this… AI reduces certain jobs in a similar way, but it also enables large scale manipulation and fucks with our thought processes on a large scale
i’d say it’s like if a mechanised weaving loom also invented the concept of disinformation and propaganda
.. but also, mechanised weaving loom effected a single industry: modern ML has the potential to effect the large majority of people: it’s on a different scale than the disruption of the textile industry
Agree it's on a different scale (everything is relative to 200 years ago).
One of the main "benefits" of mechanised factory machinery in the early 1800s was that shifted the demand side of labour, such that capitalists had far more control over it. I reckon that counts as a kind of large scale manipulation (but yeah, probably not as pervasive of other domains of life).
