should be fine since nothing happened
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I'm not disagreeing with you about the concept but 9/11 is still a bad analogy because it's basically part of our national identity, the government uses it for propaganda to this day.
The MOVE bombing was in Philadelphia, not Chicago, and the federal government has not commented on it. But even that isn't a great analogy because it was carried out by a local government.
9/11 is still a bad analogy because it’s basically part of our national identity
I'll spot you that American politicians made a sport of screaming "Remember 9/11!" over the top of one another during election season, while Chinese politicians made Tiananmen Square an internal affair. But suggesting the riots weren't enormously influential to the next 30 years of domestic policy or party politics is... come on. The difference is in how US and Chinese media operate - with US media deliberately intent on inflaming hatreds and ratcheting tensions while China's media is constantly working to appease and homogenize and integrate its audience.
the federal government has not commented on it
I don't know how much more comment you can make than having a federal judge rule on liability.
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I see your meme about the 1985 MOVE bombing and raise you Season 4 of Blowback detailing the events culminating in 9/11 and the subsequent 23 years of US invasion in Afghanistan.
I'm listening...
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I don't think "T.S." means anything to most chinese...
"TS" is far from "Tian An Men Guang Chang".
It is not even sure if authorities notice it...
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Sometimes I wonder if there's a parallel community of terminally online Chinese power posters who spam "Americans don't know about 9/11" all day.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Bro we celebrate 9/11 here in America - it made us the world victim for like 20 years. Verb, noun, 9/11. I BBQ every year. I don't think our tickle fee fees are gonna be too hurt by these chinese posters. 9/11 truthers love this.
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I don't think "T.S." means anything to most chinese...
"TS" is far from "Tian An Men Guang Chang".
It is not even sure if authorities notice it...
Tiananmen Square? This would be dead obvious to Hong Kongers. Hell, even just '1989' is enough.
You don't see people wear shirts that openly criticize the CCP these days. Not after all the arbitrary arrests where even wearing plain black clothing was enough to incriminate you.
I don't recommend going to Hong Kong anymore. It's a husk of its former self. The streets are far emptier, and every other storefront is closed because people and business have packed up and left in droves. If you do, certainly don't wear this shirt there.
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Sometimes I wonder if there's a parallel community of terminally online Chinese power posters who spam "Americans don't know about 9/11" all day.
If they hop the wall they'll see our 9/11 jokes, so no
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the US government’s officially acknowledges 9/11
The Chinese government officially acknowledges 1989. The dispute is over who was responsible for the deaths and whether the government's subsequent response was appropriate.
A better analogy would be terminally online Chinese power posters who spam “Americans don’t know about the MOVE bombing” all day.
The US government officially acknowledges the MOVE bombing. The catch is that the Chicago PD considers their actions justified.
If you want to talk about the protests leading up to Tienanmen, you're going to need to know more than that "Tank Man Photo Exists". Most Americans have no idea why the protests occurred (outside a vague, Americanized conception of "They wanted democracy"). They don't know about the Dengist land reforms. They don't know who was leading the protests, who - in the CCP itself - tacitly supported them prior to the riot, or the degree of violence in Beijing immediately prior to the tanks rolling in. They don't know the history of the 1950s Revolution or the policy changes between Mao and Deng that culminated in protests. They don't know the inherent conflict between urban industrial workers and rural agricultural workers that had been tearing the country apart going back to the Qing Dynasty.
In the same way, you're not likely to have a lot of Chinese citizens with a deep working knowledge of US Cold War politics in Afghanistan, the British/US propping up of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia as a means of securing oil exports and establishing the petrodollar, the significance of Mecca and Medina or the chronic social pressure that US military bases within their proximity creates, the significance of the Twin Towers as a visual landmark equivalent to Wall Street investment banking, the history of Operation Cyclone, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike America", the Cheney-Era neocon movement and the Project for a New American Century, or any of the global politics that precipitated the attacks.
The analogy is, ultimately, two groups of dumbshit onliners shouting "People In The Other Country Are Stupid" to each other, without any real idea of what they're smugly asserting they know about.
If you want to talk about the protests leading up to Tienanmen, you're going to need to know more than that "Tank Man Photo Exists"
Most don't even realize it's a video and he just gets led away by bystanders not run over
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Tiananmen Square? This would be dead obvious to Hong Kongers. Hell, even just '1989' is enough.
You don't see people wear shirts that openly criticize the CCP these days. Not after all the arbitrary arrests where even wearing plain black clothing was enough to incriminate you.
I don't recommend going to Hong Kong anymore. It's a husk of its former self. The streets are far emptier, and every other storefront is closed because people and business have packed up and left in droves. If you do, certainly don't wear this shirt there.
It’s really sad hearing about all of the protests there over the years since it was returned to China. And how they basically did nothing, despite so much effort. It doesn’t make me hopeful for what is going on in the US right now.
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Bro we celebrate 9/11 here in America - it made us the world victim for like 20 years. Verb, noun, 9/11. I BBQ every year. I don't think our tickle fee fees are gonna be too hurt by these chinese posters. 9/11 truthers love this.
It killed almost 1/400 Americans as the biggest recent disaster, covid.
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Sometimes I wonder if there's a parallel community of terminally online Chinese power posters who spam "Americans don't know about 9/11" all day.
I imagine it would be about the fake evidence used as justification to invade Iraq. 9/11 isn't anything remotely comparable.
(And of course, the US is not the same, as you can talk about the Bush's perjury all day long and not get arrested. Although it is similar in that you can be brown and sent into a concentration camp.)
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It killed almost 1/400 Americans as the biggest recent disaster, covid.
Phrased more simply, COVID-19 was like 400 9/11s.
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I imagine it would be about the fake evidence used as justification to invade Iraq. 9/11 isn't anything remotely comparable.
(And of course, the US is not the same, as you can talk about the Bush's perjury all day long and not get arrested. Although it is similar in that you can be brown and sent into a concentration camp.)
wrote last edited by [email protected]you can talk about the Bush’s perjury all day long and not get arrested
You can talk shit on the internet to nobody in particular and not get arrested. As soon as you start getting national attention, the hammer drops.
John Kiriakou, Thomas Tamm, Lawrence Wilkerson, Teresa Chambers, and Chelsea Manning were all subject to investigation, firing, and some range of prosecution with varying results for efforts they made to expose Bush's administrative criminality.
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If you want to talk about the protests leading up to Tienanmen, you're going to need to know more than that "Tank Man Photo Exists"
Most don't even realize it's a video and he just gets led away by bystanders not run over
What's really disturbing is the number of AI generated remakes of the video currently all over YouTube. The degree to which that one event has been subjected to distortion and manipulation by social media is really jaw dropping.
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What's really disturbing is the number of AI generated remakes of the video currently all over YouTube. The degree to which that one event has been subjected to distortion and manipulation by social media is really jaw dropping.
What do they show?
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TaiShan 1989? Nothing happened there.
Edit: /s just in case.
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Tiananmen Square? This would be dead obvious to Hong Kongers. Hell, even just '1989' is enough.
You don't see people wear shirts that openly criticize the CCP these days. Not after all the arbitrary arrests where even wearing plain black clothing was enough to incriminate you.
I don't recommend going to Hong Kong anymore. It's a husk of its former self. The streets are far emptier, and every other storefront is closed because people and business have packed up and left in droves. If you do, certainly don't wear this shirt there.
I spent some time living in HK before the mess and loved it, despite not being a big city fan. The other day I crossed a family from there here in Europe and the dad told me they fled because of it. I'm kinda curious to go just to see the changes for myself.
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Phrased more simply, COVID-19 was like 400 9/11s.
That's over 327!
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It’s really sad hearing about all of the protests there over the years since it was returned to China. And how they basically did nothing, despite so much effort. It doesn’t make me hopeful for what is going on in the US right now.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You can't really compare China and HongKong to the United States. And I'm saying this as a Chinese American.
Mainland China has been ruled by monarchies for centuries, there has never in the history of China been a democratic government. There is literally nothing better in its history to compared to. From the PoV of someone living in China, the current regime is the best its ever been, because its true. In Qing dynasty, you say one bad thing about the Emperor, and you lose your head (beheaded in public), plus maybe your close relatives too. Modern China's authoritarianism compared to that is very tame, just imprisonment, and if first offence, you might get off on a public apology.
During KMT's rule, it wasn't really democracy, just a bunch of warlords and instability. Mainland China never had what modern day Taiwan has right now, and actual functioning democracy. So you can't really cherish the concept of democracy if you never had it.
Hong Kong was under colonial rule since the Qing Dynasty lost it to the british, so any democracy they might've had would not have been viewed as legitimate by Mainland Chinese. So the protesters flying a UK flag in the Hong Kong protests or some even flew the US flag, that would just feels like colonialism / foreign interference, at least that's what China's state media would portray. That's why Mainland Chinese people would never support Hong Kongers.
The US had somewhat of the democracy for the past 250 years, and since 1965 Civil Rights movement, from that moment up to Citizens United Ruling, the US had a democracy, flawed, but still resembles a democracy. The US actually has experienced a Democracy to be cherished. The US has a much better chance of actually turning this shit around and restore democratic rule. China never even had it in the first place.
Edit: Just to give an example. Even the mindset of the people are very different. If an American cop ask for peoples identification or ask to conduct a search, you'll see many people refusing, and some of them even are Sov-Cits. If the Chinese Police asked any Chinese Citizen to identify themselves or conduct a search, you'll almost never see anyone refuse.
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You can't really compare China and HongKong to the United States. And I'm saying this as a Chinese American.
Mainland China has been ruled by monarchies for centuries, there has never in the history of China been a democratic government. There is literally nothing better in its history to compared to. From the PoV of someone living in China, the current regime is the best its ever been, because its true. In Qing dynasty, you say one bad thing about the Emperor, and you lose your head (beheaded in public), plus maybe your close relatives too. Modern China's authoritarianism compared to that is very tame, just imprisonment, and if first offence, you might get off on a public apology.
During KMT's rule, it wasn't really democracy, just a bunch of warlords and instability. Mainland China never had what modern day Taiwan has right now, and actual functioning democracy. So you can't really cherish the concept of democracy if you never had it.
Hong Kong was under colonial rule since the Qing Dynasty lost it to the british, so any democracy they might've had would not have been viewed as legitimate by Mainland Chinese. So the protesters flying a UK flag in the Hong Kong protests or some even flew the US flag, that would just feels like colonialism / foreign interference, at least that's what China's state media would portray. That's why Mainland Chinese people would never support Hong Kongers.
The US had somewhat of the democracy for the past 250 years, and since 1965 Civil Rights movement, from that moment up to Citizens United Ruling, the US had a democracy, flawed, but still resembles a democracy. The US actually has experienced a Democracy to be cherished. The US has a much better chance of actually turning this shit around and restore democratic rule. China never even had it in the first place.
Edit: Just to give an example. Even the mindset of the people are very different. If an American cop ask for peoples identification or ask to conduct a search, you'll see many people refusing, and some of them even are Sov-Cits. If the Chinese Police asked any Chinese Citizen to identify themselves or conduct a search, you'll almost never see anyone refuse.
The US has never been a democracy, it isn't even a particularly good representative republic
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I spent some time living in HK before the mess and loved it, despite not being a big city fan. The other day I crossed a family from there here in Europe and the dad told me they fled because of it. I'm kinda curious to go just to see the changes for myself.
If you do, I recommend visiting the more residential areas to get a feel of what old Hong Kong was like. Places like Sham Shui Po, Kennedy Town, West of Sai Wan Ho, northern parts of the New Territories. Everywhere else has been stripped and redeveloped to accommodate mostly to Chinese tourists as a last ditch to survive in the tourism industry.
