Is the number of Lemmy users increasing?
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If you're using the browser, the Piefed main page is a lot more data efficient, if you care about that sort of thing.
I just switched and there is definitely a noticeable difference in that department. It runs so smooth compared to my lemmy experience.
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note that it tests deployment of all the newest features, so it can break more readily than a more stable instance
That's https://crust.piefed.social/ now
Oh right, I did forget, thanks!:-)
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I read this on Sh.itJust.Works and am now commenting from piefed.social.
I haven't dug in much but really like it.
Welcome! You are going to absolutely love PieFed:-D.
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that's a hard sell. gonna take a pass. thanks though.
It's fine for you not to like it, it's just software and there's room to use different ones on the shared Threadiverse:-).
I do maintain that bringing up PieFed seemed very relevant to this discussion though. The OP had:
Is the number of Lemmy users actually increasing, decreasing, or staying the same? Is that data even available?
And then from there we went into MAUs, although the link offered only showed Lemmy stats so I shared a different link with PieFed stats, especially relevant due to the incident with lemm.ee and how many of its users moved over to PieFed.
But if you've tried it and don't care for it, that's fine, we just wanted to offer the knowledge that it exists and that a lot of people really do seem to enjoy it.
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I haven't encountered a troll yet and the encountered bots so far are useful repost bots. Reddit is just filled with obnoxious people that I couldn't stand, moderators with small dick energy that moderate to whatever rules they prefer (like permanent bans for using very common non-targeted slurs) and just annoying trolls on subs like WorldNews and Canada that get away with racist shit all the time.
Then you must be avoiding politics and the major news communities here - which is good advice for anyone to follow - in which case the rest of the Threadiverse is outright kind. Reddit used to have such people but they stopped talking years ago - I know I did.
One thing to note about Reddit mods: the Rexodus broke the power of anyone who resisted, so the tiny dick energy thing is by design as in anyone there nowadays is a collaborator to its authoritarian regime, who of course is a very different type of personality (a conciliatory style: think "cop", where power flows downhill) than what used to be the case years ago. I am speaking though of small niche subs - the largest ones had already enshittified by then, for different reasons. Power corrupts.
But the Threadiverse is new, and so the early adoptor mindset reigns supreme. There are definitely authoritarians though - some of the more major ones you cannot see since Lemmy.world has defederated from them, thereby protecting you from that. Lemmy.ml still exists though, and if you ever say anything slightly negative about Russia, China, or North Korea (or in some cases simply not supportive enough of them?), then you can be banned from every community across the entire instance including ones you've never commented in before. So such things do exist here... but yeah there are also kind people here too, and that's awesome! (Whereas on Reddit I simply gave up all hope whatsoever for anything positive, buried amidst all the mountains of trash)
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From what I've seen, no - the number of people actually regularly on here is going down, as I'm just seeing the same people more and more. When I use voyager you can see when your personal upvote/downvote score for every user on every one of their posts, and I'm mostly seeing people with a != 0 score, meaning I've interacted with their comments before. Means I'm not frequently seeing new people.
People like me who came here to escape the reddit bullshit of authoritarian power hungry mods and admins, insane censorship of anything right of "far left", and reinforcements of echo chambers through moderation, quickly found out that, if anything, Lemmy is already worse in some regards than reddit.
honest question because personally I'm not seeing it or maybe I'm just blinded to it but how is it worse? From what I've seen the moderation hasn't been anywhere near as heavy handed as on Reddit with the exception of nuking bots. Maybe because I'm just blocking certain instances that I'm not seeing it.
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No, the MAU (which is what I assume you meant) seems to be going down very slowly. Though it probably will start going up once again someday. Possibly when the new digg is released to the public or when Reddit pulls another shit that not even the current Redditors will be able to tolerate.
I personally don't have a problem with the current state. I like it here. I recognize lots of people every day comment and post. It feels cozy.
Same here. It’s like Reddit back when it was actually good.
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In recent weeks, I have posted an absolutely staggering amount of content on Lemmy.
My goal is simply to support the platform. I hate huge corporations.
Now I'm taking a break. I won't post anything or I'll post very little (I still feel a little guilty!! Who will post new content
?)But I need to focus on improving my own life and relax.
However... I'm just curious.
Is the number of Lemmy users actually increasing, decreasing, or staying the same? Is that data even available?
Edit: I will still post stuff. I'll just post a lot less!
Haha, det betyder ikke så meget. Lemmy har ikke fået min virksomhed til at tjene penge.
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honest question because personally I'm not seeing it or maybe I'm just blinded to it but how is it worse? From what I've seen the moderation hasn't been anywhere near as heavy handed as on Reddit with the exception of nuking bots. Maybe because I'm just blocking certain instances that I'm not seeing it.
Not the moderation but the general sentiment.
You always see users going on and on about Linux for every slight mention of Microsoft or Windows.
Same for other stuff like news. Everything is about the US and rarely anything else.Everything feels politicized. And if not it's an OS war.
And if not that it's "Why are you not using this piece of software" solely because it's (F)OSS.
But if you for example question why they are using Plex (which isnt foss) they deflect by saying Jellyfin is not secure enough.As if they are targetted by state actors trying every zero day to gain acccess to their infrastructure.
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where else would they come from?
is piefed advertising on Reddit? maybe Facebook?
sarcasm btw, just thought I'd blatantly point it out because it seems you might need the help.
I couldn't care less where users are coming from. Piefed users give me the ick because they try so damn hard to get users to join piefed. they are also some of the most blindly optimistic users I have ever interacted with. they remind me of "happy Christians". you know the type; happy wife, 2.5 kids, live in a HOA white neighborhood, live-laugh-pray. it feels like a young cult right now and gives me a feeling that something just isn't right.
I'll stick with lemmy, thanks. I'll take a flawed platform over one that insists it's better.
I said "Piefed is growing prominently from Lemmy users" because you said:
"lemmy instances cultivate their own user base. piefed is no different. so not as they said, "the same user base"."
It is pretty much the same userbase as Lemmy at the moment.
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Haha, det betyder ikke så meget. Lemmy har ikke fået min virksomhed til at tjene penge.
"Haha, it doesn’t mean that much. Lemmy hasn’t made my business earn money."
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honest question because personally I'm not seeing it or maybe I'm just blinded to it but how is it worse? From what I've seen the moderation hasn't been anywhere near as heavy handed as on Reddit with the exception of nuking bots. Maybe because I'm just blocking certain instances that I'm not seeing it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I think they give away their real complaint when they mentioned "anything to the right of far left" as if reddit only allows far left views.
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I don't even know what is fundamentally different between Lemmy and Piefed aside from Piefed's web interface. AFAIK, they're basically the same thing but Lemmy is primarily developed by a harmful douche. 🫤
Is there any reason beside that to choose one or the other?
I put together this short list of benefits Piefed offers to regular users in response to one of our members at slrpnk asking about our future migration to it.
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I wouldn't hold my breath, I'm on the Zulip (https://chat.piefed.social/ ) and Matrix chats and the migration script isn't really worked on by anyone.
Instances like quokk.au just went nuclear and recreated their instances with Piefed when keeping the domain name.
https://piefed.blahaj.zone/ went the subdomain route.
wrote last edited by [email protected]There's an open issue for migration script blockers on the codeberg. It looks like there might be more movement on that front now that 1.1 has been released.
Also @[email protected]
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PieFed, like Mbin, was written from the ground up, and in a totally different language than Lemmy.
But it interoperates with Lemmy, so yeah it's very similar. Except the LARGE list of features that PieFed has that Lemmy lacks, and a handful of features that Lemmy still does better on.
Moreover, Lemmy will likely not ever catch up to PieFed. One reason being that certain features are incompatible with the authoritarian mindset - e.g. when a moderator removes your content, why should you as the poster be notified of that fact?
But also, PieFed is written in Python that is a heck of a lot easier to code in than Rust, so the fact that PieFed not only caught up to Lemmy but has already surpassed it in SO MANY ways is a strong indicator of its future success.
But aside from the tankies building in tankie philosophy right into the core of the Lemmy software, it depends on whether someone wants those additional features or not. Like polls, flairs (both user and post), categories of communities, which btw are user customizable and shareable, combining all comments across all cross-posts (helping to reverse the fragmentation effect inherent in federated platforms), and so much more.
I bet that if you tried out PieFed for a day, you'd fall in love with it. You can also do entirely different workflows with it, like trigger notifications to be sent to you that really helps you to stay on top of posts from communities that are very low-volume (and so have trouble making it into your Subscribed feed, like poetry rather than politics or worshipping Arch Linux), but those are likely to take more than a day to figure out - there's definitely a learning curve. Also note that ymmv with regard to the different apps not (yet!) fully utilizing all the features offered by the PieFed back-end.
Yeah.....I've had to do a LOT of work client-side in Tesseract to give Lemmy half the features Piefed has. Eventually I'm gonna start targeting Piefed, but there's some under the hood stuff I'm waiting to be resolved before I embark on that voyage. Mainly, I've heard that the main Piefed experience and the API are not 1:1 and not everything is exposed in the API.
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Its been at a pretty consistent 50k which means we retained 25% of the users from our peak. Its 37.5k at the moment with 1.8k on piefed. There is another 18k users once NodeBB federations integrates.
Its a decent little community, enough to be self sufficient and enough for new users to feel like they arent joining a ghost town.
This is the sweet spot. After the initial teething pains but before the bigots and nazis take over.
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Slowly going down. The learning curve is too steep for the general population (personal opinion, happy to debate).
I would love some sort of SSO identity provider on the fediverse. I mean, like not connected to any instances. That would make thing a bit easier.
I never knew what .ml stood for.
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they love to larp and not use their ml accounts in the hope that ml avoids being defederated
long overdue
Blocking ml from my feed was one of the better decisions I've made on here.
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honest question because personally I'm not seeing it or maybe I'm just blinded to it but how is it worse? From what I've seen the moderation hasn't been anywhere near as heavy handed as on Reddit with the exception of nuking bots. Maybe because I'm just blocking certain instances that I'm not seeing it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]It's not. But mods generally just ban/threaten you if you post anything they disagree with. just like reddit. they have an agenda and if you are not on board with it 100% you are to be purged.
for example i've been banned from multiple lemmy communities because I dared to disagreed with the 'autism/non NT make you superior' narrative quite a few communities here were pushing. or questioning the 'perfection' of Linux...
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Reddit is written in Python. It was originally written is Common Lisp, but they rewrote it in Python since it is easier to find developers.
That was a long time ago, I highly doubt it still is
