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  • A [email protected]

    Maybe we kick off a nuclear winter before we go out

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    Honestly, if we’re talking about mostly or completely surface blasts, and not atmospheric detonations, that might be what saves the planet.

    Nuclear winter is very much a thing by how the thrown-up dust reflects most incoming light, and with most detonations being in cities, the kicked-up dust would contain plenty of iron… which is the major limiting factor of phytoplankton, the largest single converter of CO2 to O2. All it has to do is fall out of the atmosphere and into the oceans during the spring to summer. So we need a late winter or early spring nuclear war.

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    • nymnympseudonym@lemmy.worldN [email protected]

      I am optimistic. I will get downvoted to oblivion, but I want to share what I honestly observe:

      1. AI demand is driving huge investment in production of carbon-free energy at scale.

      Yes, AI is sucking up all the immediate term cheap fossil-fuel energy while it can. But it needs more, so it's driving carbon-free investment.

      Immediate term with Small Modular fission Reactors (SMRs)

      ... and immediate term, multiple commercial fusion energy plants are being built.

      2. Commercially viable carbon-free energy at scale is coming online in < 10 years

      SMR is real, exists today, and just needs economies of scale ... and stable regulation. AI datacenters are driving the orders now and even if MAGA cultists keep USA out a few more years, science-accepting countries will be investing in clusters of those, rather than coal plants, when they see working examples and so less risk.

      The Fusion plants this decade will not be just prototypes, but plants that produce more energy as a whole than they take in, multiple times over, and ofc don't produce nuclear waste. This is largely made possible by high temperature superconductors (which didn't exist commercially when ITER was built) and a demo plant fully online in 2027

      EDIT: ofc we should reduce excess CO2 emissions immediate term, don't misconstrue long term optimism for polyannish denial of imemdiate term emergency

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      Yes, AI is sucking up all the immediate term cheap fossil-fuel energy while it can. But it needs more, so it’s driving carbon-free investment.

      Nah, this is the same nonsense lie cryptobros tried to peddle. Any energy used by AI is energy which could have been used for something more worthwhile, carbon-free or not. And most of it is far from carbon-free.

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        #285

        Younger generations are ignoring it as well. They're busy blaming past generations, while they themselves are some of the biggest contributors to our current climate crisis.

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        • O [email protected]

          Geoemgineering needs to be discredited so people dont buy it as an alternative to everything else, but a supplimental.

          Because it's really tempting. It promises not having to change our daily lives, if you don't listen too close

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          And that's been the statement people make every time for the last 15 years. But at a certain point there is only people that accept it and people who will never do so until they die.

          Small scale tests have to be done slowly over time, and it's best to do that now at the very least so we have a good grasp of what won't work at scale so we didn't chase means that are less practical.

          But the real point is that very few people commenting actually read the article. This was about marine cloud brightening, where they're only making clouds slightly brighter. It's the least offensive option possible that is technically a thing that everybody likes more anyway. People act like mr burns blocking the sun.

          The only one that has any real risk is the iron fertilization concept because changing the limited ingredient in an ecosystem could possibly have an effect on the system.

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            People of every generation were told it doesn't matter and that it won't be a problem. With the advent of social media and associated algorithms, the village idiots are loud, organised and getting others to bark at the moon with them.

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            • joebigelow@lemmy.caJ [email protected]

              Hey man, can I get a couple Adderall?

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              Good sleep does this to me, amphetamines calm me down

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                And that's been the statement people make every time for the last 15 years. But at a certain point there is only people that accept it and people who will never do so until they die.

                Small scale tests have to be done slowly over time, and it's best to do that now at the very least so we have a good grasp of what won't work at scale so we didn't chase means that are less practical.

                But the real point is that very few people commenting actually read the article. This was about marine cloud brightening, where they're only making clouds slightly brighter. It's the least offensive option possible that is technically a thing that everybody likes more anyway. People act like mr burns blocking the sun.

                The only one that has any real risk is the iron fertilization concept because changing the limited ingredient in an ecosystem could possibly have an effect on the system.

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                you don't exist

                Shit. Can i put you in front of my therapist? Been having this argukent and it woukd be great to have someone else on my side.

                thing completely unrelated to anything i said that you just like to think about

                There are less cool obsessions, sure.

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                  Younger generations are ignoring it as well. They're busy blaming past generations, while they themselves are some of the biggest contributors to our current climate crisis.

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                  So bezos and his guests flying dozens of individual private jets to Venice are the "younger generations"? It doesn't have a lot to do with age but seems to correlate with wealth. The wealthier you are (as a nation and an individual) the more you typically (on average) contribute to climate change.

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                    My parents believe we’re in the end times and god will return any day now. They were mentally ill from the get go. They are pure evil and don’t see the evil they are.

                    Go figure they’re also extremely obese and mostly immobile. They are sloths and glutens. They never took care of themselves and believe bullshit snake oil salesmen over their own children’s advice.

                    You can’t reason with the evil that is these fundamental cultists.

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                    We might very well be in the end times and maybe AI will wipe us from the planet to prevent earth from becoming Venus.

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                      Younger generations are ignoring it as well. They're busy blaming past generations, while they themselves are some of the biggest contributors to our current climate crisis.

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                      They are not ignoring it, you silly Billy. They are treating it like everyone else is.

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                      • pokey@midwest.socialP [email protected]

                        I was just thinking about the poor air quality today and yesterday here in the Midwest, and then I see this. I want to be hopeful we can change this in my lifetime, but I am also not optimistic.

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                        Depends how old you are. I'm 47. It's gonna far worse. The question is will my kids be the ones to say it's bad enough? I don't know. Maybe theirs.

                        Also it's hilariously optimistic that this chart only thinks a 4 degree rise by 2100. Seems very conservative.

                        Personally speaking I'm investigating moving my family further north here in Canada to get ahead of the madness to come.

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                          From when we discovered the ozone hole to banning hairspray and shit was about 10 years.

                          Also, I didn't say we decided the pacific trash hole was bad. I said we decided it would kill all the life in the ocean, and that was hilariously wrong.

                          Have you taken a reading comprehension course in the last 10 or 15 years?

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                            They are not ignoring it, you silly Billy. They are treating it like everyone else is.

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                            They are the some of the biggest consumers of electronics and technology. What do you think powers that. Fairy dust?

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                              So bezos and his guests flying dozens of individual private jets to Venice are the "younger generations"? It doesn't have a lot to do with age but seems to correlate with wealth. The wealthier you are (as a nation and an individual) the more you typically (on average) contribute to climate change.

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                              So bezos and his guests flying dozens of individual private jets to Venice are the “younger generations”?

                              As wasteful as that may seem, it's doesn't make much of a difference in the bigger picture. What does make a big impact is using all the services Bezos is providing. And not just his. Every cloud service uses an insane amount of energy. Youtube, TikTok, streaming services, online games, iCloud, Dropbox, video calls, crypto valuta, A.I. They can't build data centers fast enough to supply the demand.

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                              • D [email protected]

                                They are the some of the biggest consumers of electronics and technology. What do you think powers that. Fairy dust?

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                                Two things.

                                1. Your original statement was that they were ignoring it, not that they were contributing to it. They are definitely not ignoring it. They have less ability to ignore it that any previous generation.

                                2. Their consumption of electronics is the result of how they were brought up. Not that they have some kind of suicidal death wish. If you were in their generation you would be doing the same thing. As would I.

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                                  Two things.

                                  1. Your original statement was that they were ignoring it, not that they were contributing to it. They are definitely not ignoring it. They have less ability to ignore it that any previous generation.

                                  2. Their consumption of electronics is the result of how they were brought up. Not that they have some kind of suicidal death wish. If you were in their generation you would be doing the same thing. As would I.

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                                  And if they where in an older generation, they would have done the same thing as that generation. That's exactly my point. Every generation follows the trends and do what they have to to get by. What gets my piss boiling is their whining that the climate crisis is the fault of older generations, while they themselves aren't any better.

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                                    you don't exist

                                    Shit. Can i put you in front of my therapist? Been having this argukent and it woukd be great to have someone else on my side.

                                    thing completely unrelated to anything i said that you just like to think about

                                    There are less cool obsessions, sure.

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                                    Is this the wrong reply? I guess it is completely unrelated.

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                                      And if they where in an older generation, they would have done the same thing as that generation. That's exactly my point. Every generation follows the trends and do what they have to to get by. What gets my piss boiling is their whining that the climate crisis is the fault of older generations, while they themselves aren't any better.

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                                      That's a valid point.

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                                        Is this the wrong reply? I guess it is completely unrelated.

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                                        Yeah it feels like you were just arguing at me with no regard to anything I'd said.

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                                        • K [email protected]

                                          From when we discovered the ozone hole to banning hairspray and shit was about 10 years.

                                          Also, I didn't say we decided the pacific trash hole was bad. I said we decided it would kill all the life in the ocean, and that was hilariously wrong.

                                          Have you taken a reading comprehension course in the last 10 or 15 years?

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                                          Yes, yes, you're very smart and edgy. Better not do anything, since the planet will do just fine on its own.

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