nah it's natural
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No, I won't give them the out. This isn't them simply being outgunned on messaging or outmaneuvered by corporate interests.
Theirs is a story of objective dereliction of duty.
Previous generations leveraged the future of their descendants to improve their wealth and economic growth. Those same generations and wealthy twats are now vying for global control as right-wing governments take power.
Yeah, there was corporate propaganda at play. That does not negate the duty of the electorate to stay informed. They could have looked into it, but they didn't because it was an inconvenient truth.
We've had strong indication that CO2 was going to fuck us since 1896 from research by Svante Arrhenius. And if you want to go waaaaayyy back, the idea that a small percentage of atmospheric gases could absorb infrared radiation was 1859 by John Tyndall. Oh, or maybe we can start the clock at 1824 when Joseph Fourier (yes that Fourier) first proposed the idea of greenhouse gases.
So after 200 fucking years of knowing about this, we've still done fuck all.
So yes. Many of our parents were willfully ignorant and didn't prioritize this issue because ... The Mexicans are coming across the border and we can't have that even if we'd really like to kick off a green energy revolution. AREGGHHHH! IF ONLY IT WEREN'T FOR THOSE DAMN ILLEGALS THEY WOULD'VE SOLVED THIS!
Well pick up your gun and go do something I guess
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A lot of ordinary people also say they want to do everything they can against climate change but then fail to make their own simple sacrafices like reusable cups, walking instead of driving, keeping the heat lower in winter etc. Everyone wants to end climate change but without sacraficing any modern conveniences
The problem is that companies are only responsible for producing their product... And that is only half the lifecycle.
Start taxing/charging companies for the complete lifecycle of their products. If the ocean is full of plastic bags, then the cost of cleanup for those bags should be baked into the price.
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I look at this graf, and I really feel like, it's so sudden that you can't really stop this at a human level. Human are curious adventurous and like confort and enjoy surviving. As soon as we started using coal and gaz,it was too late. We would probsbly need to renounce everything to have a slightly better outcome. So clearly, people don't give a shit anyway.
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Economists are orgasming so fucking hard at this you wouldn't beliee
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But I’d do anything* to stop climate change!
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler
*I can still eat meat daily, have a house with a paved front yard, 2 SUVs in the garage, go on vacation via plane 3 times a year and buy cheap disposable stuff on Amazon, right?
:::In their defense, the house was built 50 years ago. Ripping up the drive and disposing of the concrete releases more CO2, SUVs are practically the only vehicles offered on the market anymore (and you got tired of almost getting killed by dodge-ram drivers while driving your tiny hybrid hatchback), hah, you think we get vacations, and when the stuff you need only comes in a disposable form, what choice do you really have?
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A lot of ordinary people also say they want to do everything they can against climate change but then fail to make their own simple sacrafices like reusable cups, walking instead of driving, keeping the heat lower in winter etc. Everyone wants to end climate change but without sacraficing any modern conveniences
If every single household did all that stuff but corporations continued as usual, it would barely make a dent. We should still do it because something is better than nothing, but blaming the average consumer is definitely choosing the wrong target.
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A lot of ordinary people also say they want to do everything they can against climate change but then fail to make their own simple sacrafices like reusable cups, walking instead of driving, keeping the heat lower in winter etc. Everyone wants to end climate change but without sacraficing any modern conveniences
Honestly, the majority of what you listed isn't going to make any difference in the slightest even if literally everyone did it tomorrow.
Here's a completely random non-comprehensive list of stuff that would actually be pretty impactful though.
Upgrade your dryer to a heat pump dryer , they use 1/4 the amount of electricity to do the same job if literally everyone traded their electric dryer for the heat pump dryer it would dramatically reduce energy usage and thus also result in a dramatic drop in CO2 generation from various energy generation sources. You don't have to worry about your old dryer it is made of 90% material that actually gets recycled for real just drop it off at a scrap yard.
Use your compost bin actually start separating stuff for it properly . Most people don't make use of it, if you are particular waste Company does not offer composting then simply make a compost box somewhere on your property if you can and start composting there's a lot of things that just end up in the trash that could be compostable which would be better for it the environment and reduce the burden on the waste system.
Curb the demand for forever chemicals. Replace everything in your kitchen with stainless steel or wood or glass. No plastic or Teflon just learn to preheat your pans properly and use a little bit of oil the sticking of your eggs is nothing more than a skill issue I use stainless steel and I can make fried eggs that slide around like they're on ice. And not just the pots and pans replace all of your utensils plates bowls. It creates a small surge in waste initially as you get rid of the old stuff but as long as it's going forward you never purchase the plastics again it means demand will go down.
Those are just a couple completely random things that would be fairly simple and easy to do that would actually make a pretty drastic difference if even just 40% of the population would follow through but I speak from experience when I say if you attempt to get people on board with any of these they just can't be bothered because it's a slight minor inconvenience compared to what they already do
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If every single household did all that stuff but corporations continued as usual, it would barely make a dent. We should still do it because something is better than nothing, but blaming the average consumer is definitely choosing the wrong target.
I'm not blaming the consumer, but if consumers take more responsibility it does give us more power. We have more political and legal arguments to say we've tried what is reasonable for us to do, now its time to hold corporations to do the same. Its also good for activism morale. Even if its just a small dent the effort proves change can happen and we can push for more change, support greener options, and inspire new innovations/solutions. This is better than an attitude of "well the world is fucked anyway so why should I care?"
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Sam Altman (OpenAI) is a Millennial. So is Zuckerberg. LLMs are one of the big energy sinks right now, reaching 1,000 terawatt-hours by 2026 and the current rate of use is doubling every year. For comparison, total global commercial (excluding industrial and transportation, so, office buildings - lights, AC, computers) energy use is 50,000 TWh.
It's still being ignored. Boomers are out of the work force (if not politics), and Gen X is just starting to retire. Between Millenials and Gen Z, they hold 32% of the voting power in the US, the same as Boomers. And Gen Z is only just entering voting age, at 8%.
Half the voting population is under 50 and global temperatures keep increasing. There's every indication sticking your head in the sand is a cross-generational behavior.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Edit: see reply. With correct numbers now I'm mad too.
By your own numbers that’s a tiny fraction of the world’s energy use. It seems strange to put such a disproportionate focus on such a small fraction. Where is this rage for the transportation sector? -
Thats fine.
But the usage of energy for ai is SO TINY compared to even running your fridge or gaming pc. It is not a good argument to make. Its like .008 kwh to run a prompt 24/7 vs 1 kwh gaming for a few hours. No comparison.
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Edit: see reply. With correct numbers now I'm mad too.
By your own numbers that’s a tiny fraction of the world’s energy use. It seems strange to put such a disproportionate focus on such a small fraction. Where is this rage for the transportation sector?wrote last edited by [email protected]I think they're intent wasn't to take away from any other issues we have but to say that we have another burgeoning issue which if it continued to grow at scale could be as damaging as our other major contributors.
Now we have the the education and first-hand experience to understand the impact and scope of the issue and despite this have still showed no reluctance.
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Edit: see reply. With correct numbers now I'm mad too.
By your own numbers that’s a tiny fraction of the world’s energy use. It seems strange to put such a disproportionate focus on such a small fraction. Where is this rage for the transportation sector?Shh, we don't want to talk about that, car is comfy
On a more serious level, the type of AI that all the energy is being used for, generative AI, is not particularly necessary. Transportation often is. There are types of AI that are ridiculously useful, like the one that does protein folding, or a lot of machine learning algos that classify things for X or Y business reason... But LLMs and image generation are a fucking novelty.
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Next generation is going to post this map but with higher temps
Lol why do you think we'll last long enough for another generation?
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Sam Altman (OpenAI) is a Millennial. So is Zuckerberg. LLMs are one of the big energy sinks right now, reaching 1,000 terawatt-hours by 2026 and the current rate of use is doubling every year. For comparison, total global commercial (excluding industrial and transportation, so, office buildings - lights, AC, computers) energy use is 50,000 TWh.
It's still being ignored. Boomers are out of the work force (if not politics), and Gen X is just starting to retire. Between Millenials and Gen Z, they hold 32% of the voting power in the US, the same as Boomers. And Gen Z is only just entering voting age, at 8%.
Half the voting population is under 50 and global temperatures keep increasing. There's every indication sticking your head in the sand is a cross-generational behavior.
Altman isn't sticking his head in the sand, he's delusional and selfish. He doesn't care what happens to the rest of the world after AGI.
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Lol why do you think we'll last long enough for another generation?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Honestly, I hate to jump on the antinatalism bandwagon but having a child now would almost certainly condemn them to an existence of scarcity and pain.
What makes this doubly difficult is that if we had acted at the first sign of trouble, we almost certainly could have lived comfortable lives with minimal sacrifices and every year we put it off the sacrifices we would have to make in order to maintain our climate get more severe.
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I look at this graf, and I really feel like, it's so sudden that you can't really stop this at a human level. Human are curious adventurous and like confort and enjoy surviving. As soon as we started using coal and gaz,it was too late. We would probsbly need to renounce everything to have a slightly better outcome. So clearly, people don't give a shit anyway.
We can stop at a human level if we decapitate the rich and powerful.
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Lol why do you think we'll last long enough for another generation?
If you mean climate change we absolutely will though
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But I’d do anything* to stop climate change!
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler
*I can still eat meat daily, have a house with a paved front yard, 2 SUVs in the garage, go on vacation via plane 3 times a year and buy cheap disposable stuff on Amazon, right?
:::I've given up meat, I moved closer to my work so I could commute by bicycle and when I water my plants I do it with gray water I get from my dehumidifier.
So when my friend had a new house built an hour from his work and bought a new car because of the commute, well that person is no longer my friend and I know that seems extreme but I just can't reconcile it.
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If you mean climate change we absolutely will though
There be other generations but I think you are wrong to be so confident. Those next generations will not have an organized society and quite possibly will not have any form of internet or a lot of technology in general.
Shit is going to get BAD and FAST.
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Economists are orgasming so fucking hard at this you wouldn't beliee
wrote last edited by [email protected]That line is going UP, boooiiii!!!
