Maybe we need to start a fund to reward any bystanders that attempt to intervene in a safe manner.
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Maybe we need to start a fund to reward any bystanders that attempt to intervene in a safe manner. They could do things like ask for badge numbers, take videos, ask for the warrant, and just generally get in the way. Maybe stand infront of the vehicle that the person is put in to slow down the progress.
Maybe we need a app that will notify people that something is happening so they can flood the area even more with people who will stand in front of the vehicle.I understand you're trying to increase the odds that people will intervene and that this horrible kidnapping would not be successful.
However, the fund for rewards is not the way to go.
Psychological research about human motivation shows that expecting external rewards stilts personal motivation (or, as psychologists would say it, extrinsic motivation can hinder intrinsic motivation). When humans do things because they expect external rewards, they stop doing it for the sake of it and expect higher and higher rewards over time.
Pay children to draw and they lose their interest in doodling or drawing for fun. Pay your team members for being kind and they will be less kind overall.
So what can we do? You talk to people. You understand their concerns and wishes, and you have them understand your concerns and wishes. You use frames that they already have in their head so that they can see your point of view. You set implementation intentions.
It's a matter of values and the capacity to do the behavior.
This may be abstract, and I wish I had the time to make it less so. Unfortunately, I don't have time right now, but you can check out sources that talk about this. Check out Drive by Pink to learn about motivation. Check out Don't think of an Elephant by George Lakoff to learn about moral reframing. Check out Rethinking Positive Thinking by Gabriele Oettingen or Tiny Habits to learn about implementation intentions.
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Maybe we need a app that will notify people that something is happening so they can flood the area even more with people who will stand in front of the vehicle.
That used to be Twitter if you knew the pages to follow. It was effective for calling for action at specific places/times during protests, it was no surprise Musk bought it and ruined it. With all major tech companies aligned with fascism it would be tough for a new app like this to become popular.
I remember a story at the beginning of the Arab Spring. A student journalist tweeted, "Arrested" to his few followers and it went viral.
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Maybe we need to start a fund to reward any bystanders that attempt to intervene in a safe manner. They could do things like ask for badge numbers, take videos, ask for the warrant, and just generally get in the way. Maybe stand infront of the vehicle that the person is put in to slow down the progress.
Maybe we need a app that will notify people that something is happening so they can flood the area even more with people who will stand in front of the vehicle.More like a bail fund
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Maybe we need a app that will notify people that something is happening so they can flood the area even more with people who will stand in front of the vehicle.
That used to be Twitter if you knew the pages to follow. It was effective for calling for action at specific places/times during protests, it was no surprise Musk bought it and ruined it. With all major tech companies aligned with fascism it would be tough for a new app like this to become popular.
In a platform full of coders... Surely one of you will build this app, yeah?
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I understand you're trying to increase the odds that people will intervene and that this horrible kidnapping would not be successful.
However, the fund for rewards is not the way to go.
Psychological research about human motivation shows that expecting external rewards stilts personal motivation (or, as psychologists would say it, extrinsic motivation can hinder intrinsic motivation). When humans do things because they expect external rewards, they stop doing it for the sake of it and expect higher and higher rewards over time.
Pay children to draw and they lose their interest in doodling or drawing for fun. Pay your team members for being kind and they will be less kind overall.
So what can we do? You talk to people. You understand their concerns and wishes, and you have them understand your concerns and wishes. You use frames that they already have in their head so that they can see your point of view. You set implementation intentions.
It's a matter of values and the capacity to do the behavior.
This may be abstract, and I wish I had the time to make it less so. Unfortunately, I don't have time right now, but you can check out sources that talk about this. Check out Drive by Pink to learn about motivation. Check out Don't think of an Elephant by George Lakoff to learn about moral reframing. Check out Rethinking Positive Thinking by Gabriele Oettingen or Tiny Habits to learn about implementation intentions.
While all that maybe true in the case of an activity that happens over and over... the odds that any one person is close enough to one of these events more than once is extremely small. I doubt any of that research covers this kind of situation.
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Maybe we need a app that will notify people that something is happening so they can flood the area even more with people who will stand in front of the vehicle.
That used to be Twitter if you knew the pages to follow. It was effective for calling for action at specific places/times during protests, it was no surprise Musk bought it and ruined it. With all major tech companies aligned with fascism it would be tough for a new app like this to become popular.
Well, you don't want it to be from a company. You want it to be opensource and decentralized so the government can't shut it down.
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More like a bail fund
Well yeah, and a legal defense fund.
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While all that maybe true in the case of an activity that happens over and over... the odds that any one person is close enough to one of these events more than once is extremely small. I doubt any of that research covers this kind of situation.
You have a good point! It does sound like my suggestions only help for repeated behaviors. For example, Tiny Habits seems to indicate that it'll work for habits but not for novel situations.
You explicitly mention that it's unlikely that research covers situations that are entirely novel and rare. Do you know about schema theory or relational frame theory? I ask because both of those theories explicitly deal with how entirely new information (such as entirely new situations) is processed in the human brain and how, depending on the schemas or relational frames that a person already had, the person will react in different ways.
But we don't have to go into the theoretical weeds. The popular books that I mentioned earlier deal with novelty. For example, Lakoff shows how, inside the head of any person, a small set of beliefs can end up guiding most of the person's moral thinking and therefore their choices. Not only that, but even the book titled Tiny Habits has sections dedicated to one-off behaviors. Heck, the book Drive deals with teams that are at the bleeding edge of knowledge and techniques, technologies and workflows that no human has ever dealt with before, and yet the book is able to show how there is a set of evidence-based principles that consistently motivate (or not) those very teams.
The fundamental issue is whether humans are able to recognize a situation and know what to do about it. Our brains have been endowed with the capacity to derive thoughts, to think up entirely new situations, to imagine scenarios. We can use that to increase the odds of responding effectively to situations we have never been in before.
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Maybe we need to start a fund to reward any bystanders that attempt to intervene in a safe manner. They could do things like ask for badge numbers, take videos, ask for the warrant, and just generally get in the way. Maybe stand infront of the vehicle that the person is put in to slow down the progress.
Maybe we need a app that will notify people that something is happening so they can flood the area even more with people who will stand in front of the vehicle. -
You have a good point! It does sound like my suggestions only help for repeated behaviors. For example, Tiny Habits seems to indicate that it'll work for habits but not for novel situations.
You explicitly mention that it's unlikely that research covers situations that are entirely novel and rare. Do you know about schema theory or relational frame theory? I ask because both of those theories explicitly deal with how entirely new information (such as entirely new situations) is processed in the human brain and how, depending on the schemas or relational frames that a person already had, the person will react in different ways.
But we don't have to go into the theoretical weeds. The popular books that I mentioned earlier deal with novelty. For example, Lakoff shows how, inside the head of any person, a small set of beliefs can end up guiding most of the person's moral thinking and therefore their choices. Not only that, but even the book titled Tiny Habits has sections dedicated to one-off behaviors. Heck, the book Drive deals with teams that are at the bleeding edge of knowledge and techniques, technologies and workflows that no human has ever dealt with before, and yet the book is able to show how there is a set of evidence-based principles that consistently motivate (or not) those very teams.
The fundamental issue is whether humans are able to recognize a situation and know what to do about it. Our brains have been endowed with the capacity to derive thoughts, to think up entirely new situations, to imagine scenarios. We can use that to increase the odds of responding effectively to situations we have never been in before.
So somewhere in there I lost what you are suggesting would increase the likelihood of multiple people attempting to peacefully intervene to stop these abductions.
Also, I find physchology writing to be hard to read. Not sure what they need to do to make these things more readable though. But even though the topic interests me, I just can't seem to read a book on the subject. -
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