Built to last
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The washer and dryer at my mom's are 30 years old. She's had repairmen laugh at her for having them, but they're much better made than anything new.
If repairman laugh at durable machinery they either just want your money or don't care about longevity. My father usually tells people to keep the old one if it's still working cuz the newer ones break down after a year or two and suck to repair (simple stuff just replaced with electronics that you have to replace whole for half the price of the whole machine).
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Don't forget the wifi not connecting or staying connected, keeping it from getting updates for reasons mortals aren't supposed to know.
Why should a washing machine need updates to begin with?
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Why should a washing machine need updates to begin with?
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Don't forget the wifi not connecting or staying connected, keeping it from getting updates for reasons mortals aren't supposed to know.
And it has to be the horrible, congested and overused 2.4 GHz band.
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The washer and dryer at my mom's are 30 years old. She's had repairmen laugh at her for having them, but they're much better made than anything new.
Newer machines are several times more water and energy efficient.
Still nice that they lasted long and were easier to repair.
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Don't forget the wifi not connecting or staying connected, keeping it from getting updates for reasons mortals aren't supposed to know.
Why in God's name would you connect it to WiFi?
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Don't forget the wifi not connecting or staying connected, keeping it from getting updates for reasons mortals aren't supposed to know.
I bought a new washing machine last year that has no WiFi, if you don't want to you don't have to buy shit like that
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If repairman laugh at durable machinery they either just want your money or don't care about longevity. My father usually tells people to keep the old one if it's still working cuz the newer ones break down after a year or two and suck to repair (simple stuff just replaced with electronics that you have to replace whole for half the price of the whole machine).
(simple stuff just replaced with electronics that you have to replace whole for half the price of the whole machine).
Not to mention the waste it creates.. In theory it can be recycled. In practice electronic waste is not recycled at the level you'd expect...
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I had to buy 4 little plastic things for $15 every few years to keep my 25yo machine working. Last time I got like 50 of them for $25. I can keep her running for the rest of my life.
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Why in God's name would you connect it to WiFi?
- It can tell you it's done, so you notice the notification after a couple hours instead of finding musky clothes a day or two later
- It can tell you it's time to do the self-cleaning cycle
- If you're doing something unusual, like washing reusable diapers which need extra rinse cycles, you can upload a custom program for that to the washer
- Even more unusual, someone had stacked units and was too short to reach the buttons on the washer, so they liked to start it via the app instead of getting a stool
Most of this can be achieved in other ways (like a smart plug measuring the current draw and a simple monthly reminder), but non-techies want turnkey solutions.
I can't see any reason to have WiFi on your dryer, though.
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Newer machines are several times more water and energy efficient.
Still nice that they lasted long and were easier to repair.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Efficiency does little for your wallet and the environment if you need to buy/produce a new machine every few years.
(Not to say that we shouldn't strive for efficiency.)
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Newer machines are several times more water and energy efficient.
Still nice that they lasted long and were easier to repair.
More water and energy efficient to run, yes. If you have to replace them every couple of years the resources used to make new ones need to be included too though, and that will have a big impact on the comparison. That said, I have had a modern front load pair for at least 5 years now, no issues.
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Why should a washing machine need updates to begin with?
Always online model of laundry DRM. When the servers shut down then the washing machine stops working.
Also, washing machines tend to eat up one sock. Now there's going to be a micro transaction to get the sock back.
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- It can tell you it's done, so you notice the notification after a couple hours instead of finding musky clothes a day or two later
- It can tell you it's time to do the self-cleaning cycle
- If you're doing something unusual, like washing reusable diapers which need extra rinse cycles, you can upload a custom program for that to the washer
- Even more unusual, someone had stacked units and was too short to reach the buttons on the washer, so they liked to start it via the app instead of getting a stool
Most of this can be achieved in other ways (like a smart plug measuring the current draw and a simple monthly reminder), but non-techies want turnkey solutions.
I can't see any reason to have WiFi on your dryer, though.
All the things that you mentioned are already possible and have been since a decade or before.
- It can tell you it's done, so you notice the notification after a couple hours instead of finding musky clothes a day or two later
There's an estimate and a timer and the machine let's you know when its done. This is a 2014 model to say the age.
- It can tell you it's time to do the self-cleaning cycle
This is also something that is already automated and the machine does itself and can do manually if you ask.
- If you're doing something unusual, like washing reusable diapers which need extra rinse cycles, you can upload a custom program for that to the washer
You can add extra Rinse cycles for specific clothes and have custom programs too.
- Even more unusual, someone had stacked units and was too short to reach the buttons on the washer, so they liked to start it via the app instead of getting a stool
The controls being an inconvenience I can give you that. But, barring that its not stone age you would think it to be.
Fully automatic machines without WiFi work fine and don't need any software updates to begin with.
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You always have to leave the door open...
I picked this up from my parents.
When I moved out, I lived with a flatmate for a few years and I left the washing machine door open after using it and my flatmate closed it.
I explained to her why I left it open and she just stared back at me. Not once had she ever thought of this and said it made so much sense. She is about 20 years my senior.
Certain habits seem to be so obvious, but unless handed down, someone may never even think of it.
Reminds me of that guy that never thought to let the shower water get warm before stepping in.
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All the things that you mentioned are already possible and have been since a decade or before.
- It can tell you it's done, so you notice the notification after a couple hours instead of finding musky clothes a day or two later
There's an estimate and a timer and the machine let's you know when its done. This is a 2014 model to say the age.
- It can tell you it's time to do the self-cleaning cycle
This is also something that is already automated and the machine does itself and can do manually if you ask.
- If you're doing something unusual, like washing reusable diapers which need extra rinse cycles, you can upload a custom program for that to the washer
You can add extra Rinse cycles for specific clothes and have custom programs too.
- Even more unusual, someone had stacked units and was too short to reach the buttons on the washer, so they liked to start it via the app instead of getting a stool
The controls being an inconvenience I can give you that. But, barring that its not stone age you would think it to be.
Fully automatic machines without WiFi work fine and don't need any software updates to begin with.
Love how you took the time for a point-for-point rebuttal while ignoring that I already acknowledged all of that:
Most of this can be achieved in other ways (like a smart plug measuring the current draw and a simple monthly reminder), but non-techies want turnkey solutions.
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Love how you took the time for a point-for-point rebuttal while ignoring that I already acknowledged all of that:
Most of this can be achieved in other ways (like a smart plug measuring the current draw and a simple monthly reminder), but non-techies want turnkey solutions.
I read your smart-plug bit. But, even that's not necessary to achieve most of it since its built-in modern day washing machines.
I made that comment to highlight to others and for information purpose like yours was as a reply to "why would it connect to WiFi?" .
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And it has to be the horrible, congested and overused 2.4 GHz band.
They would need to double the costs to accommodate both 2.4GHz and 5Ghz bands if they choose the latter for backwards compatibility with electronics.
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I picked this up from my parents.
When I moved out, I lived with a flatmate for a few years and I left the washing machine door open after using it and my flatmate closed it.
I explained to her why I left it open and she just stared back at me. Not once had she ever thought of this and said it made so much sense. She is about 20 years my senior.
Certain habits seem to be so obvious, but unless handed down, someone may never even think of it.
Reminds me of that guy that never thought to let the shower water get warm before stepping in.
Huh... I have a top loader and grew up with one so it'd never occur to me this is needed, since with a top loader there's no reason to close it, it doesn't get in the way by being open
I'm glad I saw this thread, if I ever have a front loader now I'll know to leave it open
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Buy European: Miele, Rex Electrolux, Beko (Turkish, don't get into that), Smeg, Candy, AEG, etc...
Don't want to jinx it, but my Electrolux washer-dryier is 7 years old and still like new, despite being relatively cheap and despite combined machines being more problematic.
