EA's Skate Gets Microtransactions Before Its Release Date
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I did! And if this conversation was even remotely related to any of them I'd give it more consideration.
But people read "microtransactions in Alpha", which was clickbaity on purpose, did not read the game was free to play, which was hidden at the bottom of the article on purpose, and got mad anyway.
So proxy for the disintegration of public discourse it is.
You keep acting like those are different concerns, but the reason for concern is the combination of mtx, free to play, and being in alpha.
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You keep acting like those are different concerns, but the reason for concern is the combination of mtx, free to play, and being in alpha.
What combination? The game was announced as F2P a while ago, it's been running tests for a while and was always assumed to have MTX. The only thing that changed is they will make the MTX live during a test run and then refund them, which is not particularly rare.
If you must know, it normally has as much to do with seeing how popular your ideas for cosmetics are as it does with testing that your commerce system works properly.
But none of that is what's sparking the fake outrage.
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Of course it does. We all saw it coming.
Don’t give a crap that (or if) this is free, I’d still play Tony hawk over this every day of the week. Excited for new 3 release
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Soon EA new game will be like old upgrades game you want the start button 5$ the setting button 10$ save slot that be a 30$ with 5$ more for all additionnal one
DLC Quest comes to mind. It's not even a parody anymore
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What combination? The game was announced as F2P a while ago, it's been running tests for a while and was always assumed to have MTX. The only thing that changed is they will make the MTX live during a test run and then refund them, which is not particularly rare.
If you must know, it normally has as much to do with seeing how popular your ideas for cosmetics are as it does with testing that your commerce system works properly.
But none of that is what's sparking the fake outrage.
So you refuse to accept that people mean what they say and feel the need to defend a for profit company by twisting any complaints into some kind of faked outrage conspiracy.
Have fun with that.
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So you refuse to accept that people mean what they say and feel the need to defend a for profit company by twisting any complaints into some kind of faked outrage conspiracy.
Have fun with that.
No, I am seeing what people say and how it relates to reality, then deriving conclusions from that.
For instance, my conclusions just got significantly reinforced by the fact that you're framing my stance as "defending" the subject of built-in outrage because of what or who they are, as opposed to what they did.
That's a meaningful part of that statement. Unintended, for sure... but meaningful.
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Of course it does. We all saw it coming.
I hope when it's released you can turn off the MMO features and play solo. I just want to get high, bomb hills, and watch my dude get all of his bones obliterated like the good ol days. I don't need some clown decked out in a $100 dinosaur costume telling me I suck ass to heighten the experience.
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No, I am seeing what people say and how it relates to reality, then deriving conclusions from that.
For instance, my conclusions just got significantly reinforced by the fact that you're framing my stance as "defending" the subject of built-in outrage because of what or who they are, as opposed to what they did.
That's a meaningful part of that statement. Unintended, for sure... but meaningful.
I don't think interacting with your reality is very productive.
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Of course it does. We all saw it coming.
So, EA as usual.
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Skater XL + Mods
There's also Session, which is pretty good
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There's also Session, which is pretty good
I haven't tried it in awhile, but tried it a few times over the years and always preferred Skater XL (just felt more like Skate to me), but I need to see how Session has progressed.
One of my favorite Skater XL mods is the ability to go into slow-mo whenever you start a trick. Really cool/fun. Also really satisfying to make your own skateboards in the game.
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Of course it does. We all saw it coming.
I don't play skater games, but like whats so wrong with all the old ones? Didn't they just remake Tony Hawk? How can these games be so different? I get playing 'new' games in your favorite genre, but I feel like you can only do so much with this formula, kind of like guitar hero.
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I don't play skater games, but like whats so wrong with all the old ones? Didn't they just remake Tony Hawk? How can these games be so different? I get playing 'new' games in your favorite genre, but I feel like you can only do so much with this formula, kind of like guitar hero.
Sometimes you just want more. Doesn't have to be drastically different, just fresh
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I haven't tried it in awhile, but tried it a few times over the years and always preferred Skater XL (just felt more like Skate to me), but I need to see how Session has progressed.
One of my favorite Skater XL mods is the ability to go into slow-mo whenever you start a trick. Really cool/fun. Also really satisfying to make your own skateboards in the game.
I was debating between the two when I was first looking at them. I guess Session is supposed to be the more "realistic" one, and it's pretty tough actually. Each stick controls each foot (left stick for left foot, right stick for right foot) but you can of course change the settings to be as arcadey as you want. There's even a control setting to make it play exactly like Skate 2/3. There aren't many maps to play in, but the maps that are there are pretty good.
When I first got the game in 2021 or '22, the maps didn't even have cars or other pedestrians, but they added those in one of the updates in the last couple years (tells you how much I play it lol).
I'll also say that the music is kinda lacking in the game. Like there are two or three "stations" you can listen to based on genres, and there are only a few songs in each, but the classic "turn the game's music volume all the way down and pull up a playlist on YouTube/Spotify" move always works.
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I was debating between the two when I was first looking at them. I guess Session is supposed to be the more "realistic" one, and it's pretty tough actually. Each stick controls each foot (left stick for left foot, right stick for right foot) but you can of course change the settings to be as arcadey as you want. There's even a control setting to make it play exactly like Skate 2/3. There aren't many maps to play in, but the maps that are there are pretty good.
When I first got the game in 2021 or '22, the maps didn't even have cars or other pedestrians, but they added those in one of the updates in the last couple years (tells you how much I play it lol).
I'll also say that the music is kinda lacking in the game. Like there are two or three "stations" you can listen to based on genres, and there are only a few songs in each, but the classic "turn the game's music volume all the way down and pull up a playlist on YouTube/Spotify" move always works.
That's the same feeling I had. Session just felt more incomplete/rough around the edges. To those points, Skater XL basically uses the Skate control scheme, which I find the right balance of skill-based/fun. I think the soundtrack is pretty great with the likes of Modest Mouse, Interpol, Band of Horses, etc. But also pretty limited. As for levels, the site I linked above also has 1,056 mod maps you can add, so that's definitely not an issue.
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Depends on the implementation.
If the promotion of mtx.is jarring or overwhelming then even limiting to cosmetics sucks. If something ends and there are multiple click through screens encouraging players to by mtx and other ads within the game to buy the mtx it can become a chore to ignore. Even if gameplay itself is not impacted, the things that happen outside of gameplay can deag down the whole experience.
An example would be those stupid unskippable season pass screens where the bar goes up slowly and it reminds you of what you didn't get becsuse tou didn't buy the season pass. A few seconds each time, sure, but it adds up and is clearly trying to goad you into spending money. That shit sucks even if it limited to cosmetics.
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I don't play skater games, but like whats so wrong with all the old ones? Didn't they just remake Tony Hawk? How can these games be so different? I get playing 'new' games in your favorite genre, but I feel like you can only do so much with this formula, kind of like guitar hero.
New environments, new tricks, higher quality graphics, fixed bugs, runs on the current console (since backwards compatibility isn't always a thing). Multiplayer, if Skate 3 didn't have it already.
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I would rather pay $60 to own and be able to fully play the game. However, my response came from my perception of surprise and doom-and-gloom by the community when we already knew it would be free-to-play.
If a game is going to have mtx, they shouldn't be charging for it during a prerelease. They have multiple ethical ways to handle it that would garner better feedback.
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Leave it out entirely and focus on the gameplay. That is what should be selling the game anyway.
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Have the mtx but without a way to pay real money. Give the players the option to 'purchase' in game currency and give them a running total.
The latter would be reset at release, but would gather feedback on what people want to spend and if the promo process is well implemented.
Both would run counter to the actual purpose of the vast majority of mtx which is fleecing whales and this is EA.
The most ethical implementation of mtx that I know of is actually for a paid game, Helldivers 2. The in game promo stuff is minimal and does not negatively impact the menus or interacting with the ship. The option to buy stuff doesn't use dark patterns, but it is easily available. When they did set prices too high for a collaboration thing they apologized due to feedback and gave the other half of the stuff that would have been for sale to every single player. It is basically the exact opposite of Call of Duty's mtx.
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If a game is going to have mtx, they shouldn't be charging for it during a prerelease. They have multiple ethical ways to handle it that would garner better feedback.
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Leave it out entirely and focus on the gameplay. That is what should be selling the game anyway.
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Have the mtx but without a way to pay real money. Give the players the option to 'purchase' in game currency and give them a running total.
The latter would be reset at release, but would gather feedback on what people want to spend and if the promo process is well implemented.
Both would run counter to the actual purpose of the vast majority of mtx which is fleecing whales and this is EA.
The most ethical implementation of mtx that I know of is actually for a paid game, Helldivers 2. The in game promo stuff is minimal and does not negatively impact the menus or interacting with the ship. The option to buy stuff doesn't use dark patterns, but it is easily available. When they did set prices too high for a collaboration thing they apologized due to feedback and gave the other half of the stuff that would have been for sale to every single player. It is basically the exact opposite of Call of Duty's mtx.
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Of course it does. We all saw it coming.
It's free to play, no fucking shit
