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Russia just accidentally admitted to its staggering troop losses in Ukraine

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    Then don't sign up. 🤷 Article says they are being given incentives to sign up.

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    I was under the impression that many were outright forced to fight, as opposed to signing up.

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      It alludes to the staggering number in the title and in the abstract but does not give the number which means it's clickbait.

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      • T [email protected]

        Then don't sign up. 🤷 Article says they are being given incentives to sign up.

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        This spring marks the highest rate of military conscription that Russia has seen in 14 years. In late March, Russian President Vladimir Putin issued a decree ordering 160,000 men aged 18 to 30 to be called up.

        According to Ukraine's Eastern Human Rights Group (EHRG), at least 300 people from the occupied territories were conscripted into the Russian army in fall 2024

        "After their training, many conscripts are sent to the front upon signing a contract with the Russian army," Lysianskyi says. This decision is sometimes voluntary, but often made under duress due to a lack of alternatives, he adds.

        https://www.dw.com/en/how-russia-recruits-troops-in-occupied-ukrainian-territories/a-72289013

        Russian authorities continue to conscript Ukrainian civilians in occupied areas or otherwise try to forcibly enlist them, including those in detention, into the Russian military

        https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/20/russia-forces-ukrainians-occupied-areas-military

        "She explained that it was in a military camp, and that I would be like a caretaker with tasks like cleaning and cooking..."

        But once in Russia, Samuel was in for a surprise. Instead of cooking utensils and cleaning products, he was given a Kalashnikov – which he accepted very reluctantly.

        Samuel found himself in uniform without knowing exactly who he was fighting for, or in which unit. "The contracts they made us sign are doctored. We don't have a copy of the document, so we don't get the salary we were supposed to. Apparently, the Russian commander who made us sign gets part of it back, so it's a whole chain."

        https://www.rfi.fr/en/africa/20250117-african-troops-forced-to-ukraine-frontlines-while-russians-stay-in-camp

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        • S [email protected]

          It alludes to the staggering number in the title and in the abstract but does not give the number which means it's clickbait.

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          The discrepancy tallies with Western analysis of Russia's staggering losses. "They lose somewhere in the ballpark of 35,000 to 45,000 people per month, and perhaps they recruit a little bit north of that number," George Barros, Russia team lead at the Institute for the Study of War (ISW), told the Kyiv Independent earlier this month.

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          • B [email protected]

            For context, the America lost about 55,000 soldiers in the Vietnam War, which lasted about 10-12 years. Russian has already lost at least 600,000 in a couple of years.

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            The article does not say that there have been 600k casualties. It says there are 600k fighting in Ukraine.

            Where did you get "already lost at least 600,000"?

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            • krimson@lemmy.worldK [email protected]

              Ukraine playing it smart and understanding how modern warfare is done. Russia only throwing in more and more soldiers.

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              Pulling a Napoleon when he went to Russia. Too cocky

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              • B [email protected]

                For context, the America lost about 55,000 soldiers in the Vietnam War, which lasted about 10-12 years. Russian has already lost at least 600,000 in a couple of years.

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                Its says 600,000 dead, wounded or missing in action and also usa wasnt the only one at war with north vietnam, they had help from their puppet south vietnam

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                • T [email protected]

                  Then don't sign up. 🤷 Article says they are being given incentives to sign up.

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                  If they're lying about the casualty rate then even rational people aren't given the facts to make intelligent decisions.

                  I'd bet if they were told the truth no amount of incentive would get them to sign up.

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                    I was under the impression that many were outright forced to fight, as opposed to signing up.

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                    Nope, by law Russia cannot use conscripts outside their own borders. All of them signed a contract to be there.

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                    • I [email protected]

                      The article does not say that there have been 600k casualties. It says there are 600k fighting in Ukraine.

                      Where did you get "already lost at least 600,000"?

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                      I agree that the 600K figure is a mis-read of the article; however:

                      According to figures from Ukraine's General Staff, Russia has lost 217,440 troops since Jan. 1, 2025.
                      
                      The discrepancy tallies with Western analysis of Russia's staggering losses.
                      
                      "They lose somewhere in the ballpark of 35,000 to 45,000 people per month, and perhaps they recruit a little bit north of that number," George Barros, Russia team lead at the Institute for the Study of War (ISW), told the Kyiv Independent earlier this month.
                      

                      I am generally inclined to believe Ukraine’s official figures of over 1 million dead, injured or captured Russian soldiers so far in this “3 day special military operation”.

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                      • M [email protected]

                        Nope, by law Russia cannot use conscripts outside their own borders. All of them signed a contract to be there.

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                        Learn something new every day

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                        • M [email protected]

                          The amount of money they get for signing on is so staggeringly huge, it is one of the drivers of the high inflation they are having.

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                          The amount of money they are told they get for signing...

                          Some of it goes to corrupt commanders and various middle men.

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                          • rockerface@lemm.eeR [email protected]

                            God knows we'll need every little bit to rebuild

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                            Slava Ukraine.
                            Be safe if you can. Wish I could do more to help. I tried to do some things with the digital forces but there isn't much left I can do that you all need.

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                            • rammer@sopuli.xyzR [email protected]

                              The amount of money they are told they get for signing...

                              Some of it goes to corrupt commanders and various middle men.

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                              Finally a trickle down economy that works!

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                              • P [email protected]

                                Honestly when they’re done, that manufacturing capacity will do great things for their economy.

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                                Do they manufacture them in Ukraine? I always assumed they got them for elsewhere.

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                                  I agree that the 600K figure is a mis-read of the article; however:

                                  According to figures from Ukraine's General Staff, Russia has lost 217,440 troops since Jan. 1, 2025.
                                  
                                  The discrepancy tallies with Western analysis of Russia's staggering losses.
                                  
                                  "They lose somewhere in the ballpark of 35,000 to 45,000 people per month, and perhaps they recruit a little bit north of that number," George Barros, Russia team lead at the Institute for the Study of War (ISW), told the Kyiv Independent earlier this month.
                                  

                                  I am generally inclined to believe Ukraine’s official figures of over 1 million dead, injured or captured Russian soldiers so far in this “3 day special military operation”.

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                                  Holy shit. Over 1k people killed every day? How the hell do you maintain any kind of morale?

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                                  • M [email protected]

                                    Do they manufacture them in Ukraine? I always assumed they got them for elsewhere.

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                                    https://www.kyivpost.com/post/46892

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                                    • M [email protected]

                                      Do they manufacture them in Ukraine? I always assumed they got them for elsewhere.

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                                      Given the volume they quote each year they either have sourcing figured out or produce at least some of the parts internally. Keep in mind, in FPV drones a lot of the tech is not some cutting edge stuff.

                                      Some of the strikes at the residential complexes can be targeted attacks at distributed micro factories.

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                                      • M [email protected]

                                        Nope, by law Russia cannot use conscripts outside their own borders. All of them signed a contract to be there.

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                                        Russia also has the warped idea that Ukraine is part of Russia and they're reclaiming it, so who really knows whether any law is being honored.

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                                        • P [email protected]

                                          It's what many says, Europe needs Ukraine for many reasons and a big one is (sadly), their knowledge about a mordern war.

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                                          #46

                                          "We need people from this big war to fight the next big war!" is the line of thinking that's going to burn everything to the ground, just like it did a century ago.

                                          Between Ukraine/Russia, Israel/Iran, Britain floating warships off the coast of China, Indian and Pakistan firing on one another, North Africa in a decade long bloodbath, the US sending marines to suppress unrest in local cities... its not good folks.

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