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Russia just accidentally admitted to its staggering troop losses in Ukraine

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  • M [email protected]

    Nope, by law Russia cannot use conscripts outside their own borders. All of them signed a contract to be there.

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    Legally true, but there is of course plenty of coersion.

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    • W [email protected]

      In Russia’s defence, who could have possibly have thought that invading Ukraine in the winter wasn’t going to be a simple 3 day weekend kind of thing?

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      If they assassinated Zelensky like they had planned, it probably would have been.

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      • corkyskog@sh.itjust.worksC [email protected]

        If they assassinated Zelensky like they had planned, it probably would have been.

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        #52

        That feels like a big contingency that they failed to adequately plan for

        Plus wouldn’t the armed forces still fight?

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        • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

          "We need people from this big war to fight the next big war!" is the line of thinking that's going to burn everything to the ground, just like it did a century ago.

          Between Ukraine/Russia, Israel/Iran, Britain floating warships off the coast of China, Indian and Pakistan firing on one another, North Africa in a decade long bloodbath, the US sending marines to suppress unrest in local cities... its not good folks.

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          Europe has not been aggresive at all. Being ready doesn't mean you want to go to war.

          Many are against reaming Europe, thinking weapon = war, but it's not that simple. Nuke are scaring as hell, but we haven't had such a long period of peace before nuke came.

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          • W [email protected]

            Holy shit. Over 1k people killed every day? How the hell do you maintain any kind of morale?

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            #54

            Blocker units aren't there for fun.

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            • P [email protected]

              Europe has not been aggresive at all. Being ready doesn't mean you want to go to war.

              Many are against reaming Europe, thinking weapon = war, but it's not that simple. Nuke are scaring as hell, but we haven't had such a long period of peace before nuke came.

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              #55

              Europe has not been aggresive at all.

              France is no stranger to military intervention in Africa. Indeed, a cornerstone of Françafrique, France’s sphere of influence over its former colonies in sub-Saharan Africa, was France’s permanent military presence on the continent. Since decolonization in 1960, the French military has intervened over fifty times in Africa. These interventions have ranged from brief counter-insurgency missions and evacuations to longer-term peacekeeping operations. While France would scale back the scope of its operations in Africa following it’s failure to stop the 1994 Rwandan genocide, it nevertheless maintained a force of 5,500 troops on the continent.

              Over Fifty Times.

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              • W [email protected]

                That feels like a big contingency that they failed to adequately plan for

                Plus wouldn’t the armed forces still fight?

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                They would have fought, but they would have been demoralized.

                They also would have likely been replaced by a Russian sympathizer or asset and the US/West would be very wary to send all sorts of expensive weapon systems to Ukraine.

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                • M [email protected]

                  Do they manufacture them in Ukraine? I always assumed they got them for elsewhere.

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                  Very much so, though they import lots of parts. Generally speaking the Ukrainian defence industry is operating under capacity because cashflow.

                  Ukraine builds rockets and the biggest airplanes in the world and has a vibrant IT sector, they can manage drones. Much of the Soviet high-tech design and manufacturing was Ukrainian, that's one of the reasons why Russia wants its colony back.

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                  • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

                    Europe has not been aggresive at all.

                    France is no stranger to military intervention in Africa. Indeed, a cornerstone of Françafrique, France’s sphere of influence over its former colonies in sub-Saharan Africa, was France’s permanent military presence on the continent. Since decolonization in 1960, the French military has intervened over fifty times in Africa. These interventions have ranged from brief counter-insurgency missions and evacuations to longer-term peacekeeping operations. While France would scale back the scope of its operations in Africa following it’s failure to stop the 1994 Rwandan genocide, it nevertheless maintained a force of 5,500 troops on the continent.

                    Over Fifty Times.

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                    Pray tell, how many times without explicit invitation/request by local government?

                    Because last I checked when the Sahel states wanted them gone they packed up and left. And then things went to shit quite quickly: In some areas Wagner has an even worse reputation among the civilian population than Jihadis (now that is an achievement), and figures because Wagner is not there to fix anything but to make money by "protecting" natural resources they don't care much about fighting the Jihadis, either. France never shied away from throwing down with them, where they were reluctant is stomping Tuaregs, instead opting for endless negotiations and mediating. Which is perfectly sensible because the Tuareg are sane, they want stuff like autonomy within their regions, not massacre people.

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                    • Z [email protected]

                      The shareholders will benefit greatly from more war.

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                      Never let a good tragedy go to waste.

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                      • P [email protected]

                        Russia it was already a mess before but considering their median age, after a 1mln loss they're as good as fucked.

                        Putin doesn't care about his country, but Russians then?

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                        #60

                        Tho’ it is hard – the earthly load,
                        The Cart is easy in its move,
                        The reckless couch-time, on road,
                        Will not get of his bench above.

                        In early morn we take our places;
                        We glad to break our empty head,
                        And leaving leisure for the races,
                        We cry, “Go on, you idler, damned!”

                        At noon, our bravery’s diminished;
                        We have been tossed and more afraid
                        Of slopes, steep, and ravines, peevish,
                        And cry, “Be easier, you, brat!”

                        The cart rolls in the former fashion,
                        By evening, we have used to it,
                        Wait for night lodgings, doze, patient, –
                        And Time tends horses to full speed.

                        -- Pushkin, "The cart of life", translated by Yevgeny Bonver

                        tl;dr it doesn't really matter the cart keeps on racing until it crashes. And then they Slav it back up and it keeps on racing. Nobody knows who or what the fuck actually holds the reigns. Also that "go on, you ildler, damned" does not give the profanity used in the original credit. Like, not even close. English isn't capable of it.

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                        • corkyskog@sh.itjust.worksC [email protected]

                          They would have fought, but they would have been demoralized.

                          They also would have likely been replaced by a Russian sympathizer or asset and the US/West would be very wary to send all sorts of expensive weapon systems to Ukraine.

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                          All good points, thanks for expanding my understanding

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                            Never let a good tragedy go to waste.

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                            And when enlistment keeps dropping like a rock they will give the suicide drones to our local PDs! 😄

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                            • W [email protected]

                              War is basically all logistics and the value Ukraine is getting out of their drone program is insane

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                              A man fighting for his home is worth 100 fighting for someone else's cause. Russia was never going to win the numbers game.

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                              • W [email protected]

                                Holy shit. Over 1k people killed every day? How the hell do you maintain any kind of morale?

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                                Talk about Gaza instead

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                                  So there's a stable inflow and outflow. I wonder what fractions are dead, wounded (disabled permanently), wounded (temporary), and retired (back to civilian life in one form or another, likely traumatized).

                                  Alternatively, Russia is building up a massive army outside of Ukraine. That seems unlikely though, there's no news about that, I'll discard that hypothesis for now.

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                                    What a fucking waste.

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                                    • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

                                      Europe has not been aggresive at all.

                                      France is no stranger to military intervention in Africa. Indeed, a cornerstone of Françafrique, France’s sphere of influence over its former colonies in sub-Saharan Africa, was France’s permanent military presence on the continent. Since decolonization in 1960, the French military has intervened over fifty times in Africa. These interventions have ranged from brief counter-insurgency missions and evacuations to longer-term peacekeeping operations. While France would scale back the scope of its operations in Africa following it’s failure to stop the 1994 Rwandan genocide, it nevertheless maintained a force of 5,500 troops on the continent.

                                      Over Fifty Times.

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                                      Good god, I'm talking about today, and I'm confronting EU against Russia, USA or China.

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                                      • B [email protected]

                                        Pray tell, how many times without explicit invitation/request by local government?

                                        Because last I checked when the Sahel states wanted them gone they packed up and left. And then things went to shit quite quickly: In some areas Wagner has an even worse reputation among the civilian population than Jihadis (now that is an achievement), and figures because Wagner is not there to fix anything but to make money by "protecting" natural resources they don't care much about fighting the Jihadis, either. France never shied away from throwing down with them, where they were reluctant is stomping Tuaregs, instead opting for endless negotiations and mediating. Which is perfectly sensible because the Tuareg are sane, they want stuff like autonomy within their regions, not massacre people.

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                                        Because last I checked when the Sahel states wanted them gone they packed up and left.

                                        Check again.

                                        Operation Barkhane dragged on for eight years. It sparked domestic protests within the first two years. By the end, the Sahel states were in full revolt against French occupation.

                                        France never shied away from throwing down with them, where they were reluctant is stomping Tuaregs, instead opting for endless negotiations and mediating.

                                        The problem is with your language. You seem to think dropping 200 lb bombs on a city to wipe whole neighborhoods off the map constitutes "throwing down", like its a bar room brawl everyone will walk away from in the morning. You don't seem to want to acknowledge that they killed thousands of civilians. A 9/11s worth of people, to put it in a parlance you might appreciate.

                                        And much like in Israel and the US occupation of Iraq/Afghanistan, the response from French allies was always "those civilians had it coming".

                                        That is what spurred widespread opposition to Françafrique policy.

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                                          Maybe they should pull out of the region entirely.

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