What's a process where you prefer the old way of doing things instead of how it's done now?
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Shaving with a double edged razor rather than a cartridge one.
The whole process is much more meditative and rewarding when you actually focus on the moment and take the time to do it properly. Gives a better shave too. -
Says the Luddite without an argument...
Because I'm not arguing, genius, because a group of people that categorically reject all dissent as an appeal to nature fallacy is a group not worth engaging.
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Contrast paints are a new formulation that's gotten popular in the market. They are like a glaze with wash properties. The idea is that you can simply paint them over a white priming and you're done, all the shading is done for you.
I find the average results I see in real life to be underwhelming. The colors can often be patchy especially if applied to large flat surfaces like for example Space Marine armor. What is more is that contrast paints only contain one shade of pigment and the darker or lighter portions on the model just relate to pigment concentration. I prefer to shade and highlight by adding different colors to the base paint. I find that it offers more control and greater range over the colors. The control relates also to how highlights are placed. Many people either skip them entirely by relying on contrast paint, or they copy the modern GW Box Art style which highlights pretty much every single hard edge rather than trying to give the impression of a light source. I like to give the impression of a light source.
For traditional touches, blacklining is a practice of tracing a thinned black or near black paint on the borders of different objects of the mini to help give them definition. This can be especially important when painting in bright and saturated color schemes to keep them from assaulting the eyes with too much brightness.
I underpaint, which is related to mixing for shading but means to paint certain areas a particular color in preparation for another color to support it. For example Caucasian skin is usually a red-brown or purple before the first actual flesh tones go on.
Sometimes it's just things I consider absolutely basic like basing a mini at all in any way. All I my minis are based with texture in some way (any you see in my history that don't have basing texture were specifically requested such by other people) and have at least basic drybrushing or flock. A lot of people just paint the bases now, or simply just leave them bare.
I also like putting segmented colors, camo patterns, or other simple freehanding on minis. This draws a lot of attention in real life as many people are so used to just contrast painting that they never learn fine control and as such never even attempt freehand.
I do have a few paper copies of older painting books I reference along with various PDF scans. All the the exact paint recommendations are out of date, but the general concepts are still valid.
I partially blame army bloat and the FOMO treadmill in Warhammer 40k for creating unmanageably large armies that cause people to treat the painting as a chore to be finished with rather than something to enjoy and get better at.
Oh! Ok so I'm totally out of the loop on contrast paints, I paint(ed) with many of the same techniques you do, but less advanced. I would prime usually with a black undercoat and then do my base colors, then I'd do detail work and finish with washes, dry brushing, and mixed color highlights. I didn't realize there was another way to go lol. I never got good enough to try and really work from a light source perspective but I was aware of the technique, but mixing paints was a chore because of how slow I was so my shit would be constantly drying up so I didn't do a huge amount of different shades, just a few, which limited my ability to gradually lighten stuff up. Also I sucked at getting my mixes right/consistent.
Your minis look great, better than mine ever did and I'm sure you're MUCH faster than I was. I really took a long time because I didn't like them looking sloppy and I worked mostly using the games workshop kit I started with, along with one or two other brushes I bought without any real education, and some more paints. At the time I learned techniques from the GW books and some old forums. I was always surprised by the lack of effort people put into painting their minis but I guess people were rushing because they wanted an army and didn't want to get crap for fielding unpainted sets (or bad luck).
I think some of my favorite work was actually the terrain pieces I made. I think I have a really good eye for weird bits and bobs and garbage that looks great as detail for terrain more than I ever was at painting technique.
In general even though my painting was slow I didn't think it was a chore, my struggle was finding folks that I enjoyed playing with. I lived in a small town with a single games shop, they did an open mini game day 2x a month but the people that showed up were just not fun to play with, the worst kinds of stereotypical neckbeardy folks and I don't mind me a good nerd but gross obnoxious assholes suck whether they're nerds or not. I know it's much easier to find folks these days than it was in the 90s but it's a discarded hobby for the time being, life is too busy and I do miss it but it's on the shelf for another phase of life, for now.
Thanks for taking the time to explain. I doubt I'd get into contrast painting either, your description of the downsides sounds like the benefits wouldn't outweigh the pace.
I think I have some (really) old 40k minis I saved somewhere, if I run into them in my garage I'll snap some pictures and reply in another post.
Happy painting!
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Because I'm not arguing, genius, because a group of people that categorically reject all dissent as an appeal to nature fallacy is a group not worth engaging.
Sounds like a self-defeating argument. So glad I could stand by while you beat on that straw man for a while. Feeling better after that li'l display, champ?
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Sounds like a self-defeating argument. So glad I could stand by while you beat on that straw man for a while. Feeling better after that li'l display, champ?
Again, not an argument. You sure seem to be projecting about strawmen.
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I do not miss dial up.
Why did they want us to hear the handshake‽ Like there's no reason we all would be able to pitch perfectly recreate a noise we haven't heard in two decades.
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Programming. Telling a machine "build x feature" is nervewracking because I do not know what it's doing and more importantly boring because it takes all the joy out of writing code. Even the LLM completions I do not use because I have seen what it has done to my coworkers' brains. I will think about the problem. I will write the code. I will know what it does. It will be of me, not of some averaging machine.
May the LLM era end in darkness and the gnashing of teeth amen.
You sound like a C developer complaining about interpreted languages lol
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Why did they want us to hear the handshake‽ Like there's no reason we all would be able to pitch perfectly recreate a noise we haven't heard in two decades.
Eeeeeeee brbrbrbbrbrll gzzzd
Ding-ur-ding-ur-ding brrp
cshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshsh....Actually I quite liked that bit. It was reassuring and familiar and you knew it was working.
What I didn't like was taking 20 minutes to download a tiny video, anyone picking up the phone instantly killing your connection including the software download you'd been watching download for the last 15 minutes and the cost per minute and unreliability that taught me to connect, download my email, open my messages page, on the forum, disconnect, write all the forum replies in notepad and email replies in my client, then dial up again, hit sync on the email client and paste all my replies back in the forum.
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Again, not an argument. You sure seem to be projecting about strawmen.
Sure, kiddo. Whatever gives you that dopamine hit for being yet-another random internet douchecanoe.
"Hurr hurr... I'm right and I've decided you're wrong because reasons. I'm not going to engage with anyone because everyone rejects my assertions that I'm right and everyone else is wrong."
Uh huh. Real nuanced perspective you got there.
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Sure, kiddo. Whatever gives you that dopamine hit for being yet-another random internet douchecanoe.
"Hurr hurr... I'm right and I've decided you're wrong because reasons. I'm not going to engage with anyone because everyone rejects my assertions that I'm right and everyone else is wrong."
Uh huh. Real nuanced perspective you got there.
Chill daddy, maybe ask yourself why people don't want to engage with you.
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Chill daddy, maybe ask yourself why people don't want to engage with you.
The Internet Dickwad theory has been around quite a while. It's not a giant mystery.
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The Internet Dickwad theory has been around quite a while. It's not a giant mystery.
Why are you still trolling for dopamine?
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Why are you still trolling for dopamine?
Same reason you're incapable of not having the last word.
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Same reason you're incapable of not having the last word.
Oh you're projecting again, cute. Like literally every single thing you've accused me of is blatantly on display in your replies. I sincerely hope you one day realize that you are the problem. Nobody is being mean to you, you're just acting like an asshole and getting treated like one.
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Oh you're projecting again, cute. Like literally every single thing you've accused me of is blatantly on display in your replies. I sincerely hope you one day realize that you are the problem. Nobody is being mean to you, you're just acting like an asshole and getting treated like one.
Uh huh. Funny how many self-righteous people never seem to appreciate the concept of DARVO.
Let me know when you've got something more interesting to say besides childishly commenting, "Nuh UH. I'm right because I say so."
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Fixing a car.
I'd much, much rather twist some carburetor screws or replace a fuse than have to try to troubleshoot some encrypted CANBUS acceleration sensor that is required for my suspension to work properly.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Duplicate post, sorry!
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Fixing a car.
I'd much, much rather twist some carburetor screws or replace a fuse than have to try to troubleshoot some encrypted CANBUS acceleration sensor that is required for my suspension to work properly.
My last car with a carburetor was decades ago, are they not all fuel-injectors now?
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My last car with a carburetor was decades ago, are they not all fuel-injectors now?
Not the ones from decades ago!
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Oh! Ok so I'm totally out of the loop on contrast paints, I paint(ed) with many of the same techniques you do, but less advanced. I would prime usually with a black undercoat and then do my base colors, then I'd do detail work and finish with washes, dry brushing, and mixed color highlights. I didn't realize there was another way to go lol. I never got good enough to try and really work from a light source perspective but I was aware of the technique, but mixing paints was a chore because of how slow I was so my shit would be constantly drying up so I didn't do a huge amount of different shades, just a few, which limited my ability to gradually lighten stuff up. Also I sucked at getting my mixes right/consistent.
Your minis look great, better than mine ever did and I'm sure you're MUCH faster than I was. I really took a long time because I didn't like them looking sloppy and I worked mostly using the games workshop kit I started with, along with one or two other brushes I bought without any real education, and some more paints. At the time I learned techniques from the GW books and some old forums. I was always surprised by the lack of effort people put into painting their minis but I guess people were rushing because they wanted an army and didn't want to get crap for fielding unpainted sets (or bad luck).
I think some of my favorite work was actually the terrain pieces I made. I think I have a really good eye for weird bits and bobs and garbage that looks great as detail for terrain more than I ever was at painting technique.
In general even though my painting was slow I didn't think it was a chore, my struggle was finding folks that I enjoyed playing with. I lived in a small town with a single games shop, they did an open mini game day 2x a month but the people that showed up were just not fun to play with, the worst kinds of stereotypical neckbeardy folks and I don't mind me a good nerd but gross obnoxious assholes suck whether they're nerds or not. I know it's much easier to find folks these days than it was in the 90s but it's a discarded hobby for the time being, life is too busy and I do miss it but it's on the shelf for another phase of life, for now.
Thanks for taking the time to explain. I doubt I'd get into contrast painting either, your description of the downsides sounds like the benefits wouldn't outweigh the pace.
I think I have some (really) old 40k minis I saved somewhere, if I run into them in my garage I'll snap some pictures and reply in another post.
Happy painting!
I would prime usually with a black undercoat and then do my base colors, then I’d do detail work and finish with washes, dry brushing, and mixed color highlights.
This is the traditional way for sure. I also usually prime with black as well even. What you think of as normal though is surprisingly lost on a large number of newer hobbiests who only started recently. They know some bits and pieces but a lot of the painting flow has changed, especially for people more interested in finishing huge armies fast rather than actually having interest in the painting for its own sake.
didn’t want to get crap for fielding unpainted sets
So nowadays part of it in official tournaments people have to have minis painted to a minimum standard to enter. Which means a lot of people painting minis to just reach that minimum and no further.
I didn’t realize there was another way to go lol.
It's been a major shift in the last I'd say ten years. Airbrushes for painters became really common, helped along by YouTubers making tutorials. Then the contrast paints came out from GW with a heavy marketing push; all of the new GW official painting tutorials on YouTube make heavy use of contrast paints. They were successful and soon after the other paint brands all started selling their own versions.
you’re MUCH faster than I was
Thanks, and yes it depends how fast I want to go, there is certainly a quality/speed sliding scale but I try to work efficiently with batch painting and assembly line painting for the basics to get things done as fast as I can.
I think I have some (really) old 40k minis I saved somewhere, if I run into them in my garage I’ll snap some pictures and reply in another post.
Yes and I run the [email protected] cimmunity which always needs new posts.
If you want to get back into the scene with limited minis, skirmish games are popular these days. GW offers Kill Team, and other rules like OnePageRules have put out their own free skirmish rules meant to use 40k minis.
