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  • communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyzC [email protected]

    True for wayland, not true at all for x11

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    It's true for any variation of Linux. Hell, the vulnerability (Mimikatz) that was crucial in the most expensive cyber security attack in history is still there in Windows.

    And for X11 to be exploited you would need to get and run malicious code in the first place. The Linux security model kicks in before you get to that point.

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      Can you explain how that works?

      Sorry for my ineptitude

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      tl;dr

      You don't need antivirus on Linux in 99% of scenarios

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      • richardisaguy@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

        AMD DRIVERS - Linux's built in drivers
        Chrome - Chrome
        gmail - gmail
        Office 360 - Office 360 (web)
        Norton - You don't need such piece of adware in Linux
        Py-charm - py-charm
        Star citizen - Star citizen though steam
        VPN - Proton VPN (my suggestion)
        Windows 10 - Fedora KDE

        My suggestions if you want a smoother transition, repeated ones have Linux versions

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        You need to double up your newlines 🙂

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        • communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyzC [email protected]

          I honestly think mint is an outdated suggestion for beginners, I think immutability is extremely important for someone who is just starting out, as well as starting on KDE since it’s by far the most developed DE that isn’t gnome and their… design decisions are unfortunate for people coming from windows.

          I don’t think we should be recommending mint to beginners anymore, if mint makes an immutable, up to date KDE distro, that’ll change, but until then, I think bazzite is objectively a better starting place for beginners.

          The mere fact that it generates a new system for you on update and lets you switch between and rollback automatically is enough for me to say it’s better, but it also has more up to date software, and tons of guides (fedora is one of the most popular distros, and bazzite is essentially identical except with some QoL upgrades).

          How common is the story of “I was new to linux and completely broke it”? that’s not a good user experience for someone who’s just starting, it’s intimidating, scary, and I just don’t think it’s the best in the modern era. There’s something to be said about learning from these mistakes, but bazzite essentially makes these mistakes impossible.

          Furthermore because of the way bazzite works, package management is completely graphical and requires essentially no intervention on the users part, flathub and immutability pair excellently for this reason.

          Cinnamon (the default mint environment) doesn’t and won’t support HDR, the security/performance improvements from wayland, color management, mixed refresh rate displays, mixed DPI displays, fractional scaling, and many other things for a very very long time if at all. I don’t understand the usecase for cinnamon tbh, xfce is great if you need performance but don’t want to make major sacrifices, lmde is great if you need A LOT of performance, cinnamon isn’t particularly performant and just a strictly worse version of kde in my eyes from the perspective of a beginner, anyway.

          I have 15 years of linux experience and am willing to infinitely troubleshoot if you add me on matrix.

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          Have to agree. Mint runs on long term support versions of Ubuntu releases. A lot of times this can cause issues with gaming because the kernel is so out of date, and thus the graphics driver is as well. Plus, they have snaps which are terrible compared to flatpaks.

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          • isveryloud@lemmy.caI [email protected]

            You need to double up your newlines 🙂

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            Thank you, kind stranger, I haven't noticed my formatting was messed up

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            • richardisaguy@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

              AMD DRIVERS - Linux's built in drivers
              Chrome - Chrome
              gmail - gmail
              Office 360 - Office 360 (web)
              Norton - You don't need such piece of adware in Linux
              Py-charm - py-charm
              Star citizen - Star citizen though steam
              VPN - Proton VPN (my suggestion)
              Windows 10 - Fedora KDE

              My suggestions if you want a smoother transition, repeated ones have Linux versions

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              At least get clamAV setup. No OS is virus immune. And if wine is installed without proper sandboxing ...

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              • repletelocum@lemmy.blahaj.zoneR [email protected]

                I have iTunes, because I have an iPhone. I don’t know of any other good way to get mp3s on my phone. (And to get games for emulators)

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                Thanks! I didnt realize iTunes was still supported.

                https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2023/12/transfer-music-ubuntu-iphone/amp/

                Seems like you can also use the iOS VLC app to get mp3s on there

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                  At least get clamAV setup. No OS is virus immune. And if wine is installed without proper sandboxing ...

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                  SELinux, wine (and other apps) installed via user flatpak with proper permissions configued, coupled with ufw or firewalld, secure boot enabled and an immutable system should be fine, no?

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                    What do you use iTunes for? That stood out to me.

                    Also Chrome works fine on Linux, though Firefox is a better browser even on Windows.

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                    I use itunes/icoulds for side loading onto my phone

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                      I use itunes/icoulds for side loading onto my phone

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                      side loading apps? or files?

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                      • communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyzC [email protected]

                        Antivirus is completely unnecessary and terrible on windows and linux... and on linux it's uniquely useless. Everything is installed from a centralized repo, antiviruses won't be of any help at all. antiviruses came about because windows let executables just be run easily and simply and used them as the default way of installing software, this was beyond idiotic and the reason that OS became infested with malware. Linux never made that mistake from the start, and so antivirus is unnecessary.

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                        The real reason you won't need antivirus.

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                        • richardisaguy@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                          SELinux, wine (and other apps) installed via user flatpak with proper permissions configued, coupled with ufw or firewalld, secure boot enabled and an immutable system should be fine, no?

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                          Ya probably. Toss in flat seal just because.

                          Opsec is always a balancing act.

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                          • synapse1278@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                            This isn't exactly what I recommend. Only in the case the hardware is bleeding edge, as in, it was released less than 6 month ago, then check in which Kernel version it starts to be supported, as well as check the Kernel version shipping with the distribution you are interested in installing. Distro Kernel version >= Kernel version where the driver starts to be included, no problems. Otherwise, check a distro that has more frequent upgrades.

                            Things to check: GPU, CPU, WiFi chip, Ethernet chip. In windows you can find the information in the device manager. On Linux (e.g: test with a live USB) the command lspci with display the information.

                            A common case would be: I am interested in Debian because I heard it's the most stable, will my AMD 5070XT work with that ? Probably not very well, better Check Ubuntu non-LTS or Fedora.

                            I am not recommending op to modify the Kernel from the Linux distro, just consider this point in choosing the distro.

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                              side loading apps? or files?

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                              Apps, iOS if finiky when it comes to that, though I've been looking for a way that works on Linux

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                                Approaching the end of window 10 and have no plans on upgrading to 11.

                                I am trying to find alternatives to applications I regularly use before jumping ship (it is mostly a gaming focused pc) any suggestions?

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                                Off the top of my head:

                                Gmail or any email: Thunderbird is pretty sweet and I need to use it more, but mostly just use the web clients anyway.

                                If you own GoG games, you can use Heroic Launcher instead of GoG Galaxy. It's gotten amazingly good, really fast. 🙂

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                                  What do you use iTunes for? That stood out to me.

                                  Also Chrome works fine on Linux, though Firefox is a better browser even on Windows.

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                                  For anyone who uses Apple Music, I recommend the Cider app. I believe it costs $3 and you get versions for Linux, Mac, and Windows.

                                  I haven’t found any MP3 players on Linux that I’m totally happy with. All of them have some trivial issue (eg not displaying Album Artist correctly).

                                  https://cider.sh/

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                                    It's true for any variation of Linux. Hell, the vulnerability (Mimikatz) that was crucial in the most expensive cyber security attack in history is still there in Windows.

                                    And for X11 to be exploited you would need to get and run malicious code in the first place. The Linux security model kicks in before you get to that point.

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                                    all you have to do is trick the user into installing something malicious, and running it.

                                    then with x11 it can snoop on literally everything, sure, for a server linux is inherently more secure but as an end user i don't think it matters much.

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                                      Like… how. Or is that part of the joke.

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                                        Approaching the end of window 10 and have no plans on upgrading to 11.

                                        I am trying to find alternatives to applications I regularly use before jumping ship (it is mostly a gaming focused pc) any suggestions?

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                                        • AMD drivers: use the built-in MESA drivers that include the official AMD support.

                                        • Gmail: ProtonMail for the service, Kmail for the desktop client.

                                        • Chrome: Firefox, or Librewolf if you care about privacy.

                                        • Office365: LibreOffice for full FOSS or OnlyOfficr for less freedom but more comfort.

                                        • iTunes: depends entirely on what you use it for, but I buy my music mostly off of BandCamp these days.

                                        • MuseScore: MuseScore

                                        • Norton: Why were you using Norton in the first place? It's practically a virus itself. If you need an antivirus on Linux, you might want ClamAV/ClamTK for something that runs locally only, or Microsoft Defender for Linux.

                                        • Py-Charm: Py-Charm, VSCode, Vim, Kate/KWrite

                                        • Remote Desktop to iOS: I got nothin'

                                        • Star Citizen: Star Citizen

                                        • Steam: Steam

                                        • VPN: Wireguard

                                        • Windows Games: install locally using Wine and then add to Steam as a non-Steam game to use Proton for better support.

                                        Windows 10: run it in a VM if you still need it, or keep it on a separate SSD and dual boot into that.

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                                          Like… how. Or is that part of the joke.

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                                          I mean, he's joking, but:

                                          AMD Drivers: yeah, this one's not a thing

                                          Chrome: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/EWW.html

                                          Gmail: https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CategoryMail

                                          Office 360: https://orgmode.org/

                                          I-Tunes: https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/itunes.el (although this one probably doesn't work)

                                          JBL: I have no idea what it is

                                          Muse score: https://github.com/piercegwang/staff-mode

                                          Anti-virus: I don't know of any, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone listed a plugin for checking files

                                          PyCharm: This is the one he said to use Vim

                                          Remote desktop: Emacs can natively open remote files or directories

                                          Star citizen: obviously not

                                          Steam: Obviously not, because it's proprietary, I really wouldn't be surprised if there's a GOG plugin

                                          VPN: https://github.com/anticomputer/ovpn-mode

                                          There's some truth to the joke that emacs is a very complete Operating system.

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