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  • communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyzC [email protected]

    On windows you install things from random websites as the primary method of installing stuff, this means anything can install anything and has installers that can install bonus stuff. This is why windows has so much malware.

    On linux, imagine your distro is an app store, ubuntu is an app store, mint is an app store, fedora is an app store. The apps themselves can't manage installation so they can't bundle nonsense with them. you just click install and you get only the thing you wanted and nothing else.

    Since your distro curates all the software, as long as you trust your distro, you'll know there's no malware on your computer, because you get all your software from the distro (or flathub but same idea).

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    You can install things from random websites for Linux too, though.

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      Approaching the end of window 10 and have no plans on upgrading to 11.

      I am trying to find alternatives to applications I regularly use before jumping ship (it is mostly a gaming focused pc) any suggestions?

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      Star Citizen runs just fine under linux.

      https://github.com/starcitizen-lug/lug-helper

      I would recommend using Wine directly over using Lutris right now, but that's an option you can pick in this script. Join the discord if you have trouble, people are friendly there if you're polite.

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      • zacryon@feddit.orgZ [email protected]

        You can install things from random websites for Linux too, though.

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        You can, but on windows it's the standard way to do things, on linux it's almost never done.

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        • louslash@sh.itjust.worksL [email protected]

          For an average user i would recommend Firefox

          For someone tech-savy and privacy focused - LibreWolf

          Why? Some websites will not work properly on LibreWolf because of how hardened it is (not extremely, but just enough to break some things on websites). I don't mean it's bad, it's just not for everyone atm since many people want things to just work™

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          If you want more customizability, then Floorp's also a great option .

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          • umbrella@lemmy.mlU [email protected]

            .

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            This isn't exactly what I recommend. Only in the case the hardware is bleeding edge, as in, it was released less than 6 month ago, then check in which Kernel version it starts to be supported, as well as check the Kernel version shipping with the distribution you are interested in installing. Distro Kernel version >= Kernel version where the driver starts to be included, no problems. Otherwise, check a distro that has more frequent upgrades.

            Things to check: GPU, CPU, WiFi chip, Ethernet chip. In windows you can find the information in the device manager. On Linux (e.g: test with a live USB) the command lspci with display the information.

            A common case would be: I am interested in Debian because I heard it's the most stable, will my AMD 5070XT work with that ? Probably not very well, better Check Ubuntu non-LTS or Fedora.

            I am not recommending op to modify the Kernel from the Linux distro, just consider this point in choosing the distro.

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              What do you use iTunes for? That stood out to me.

              Also Chrome works fine on Linux, though Firefox is a better browser even on Windows.

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              I have iTunes, because I have an iPhone. I don’t know of any other good way to get mp3s on my phone. (And to get games for emulators)

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                Proton owner came out as big creep, so don't really recommend.

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                oh that’s sad. I mostly switched out of proton bc I didn’t want to put all my eggs in one basket. Also, not having IMAP sucksss because both the official proton and tuta apps are SLOW

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                • communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyzC [email protected]

                  True for wayland, not true at all for x11

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                  It's true for any variation of Linux. Hell, the vulnerability (Mimikatz) that was crucial in the most expensive cyber security attack in history is still there in Windows.

                  And for X11 to be exploited you would need to get and run malicious code in the first place. The Linux security model kicks in before you get to that point.

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                    Can you explain how that works?

                    Sorry for my ineptitude

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                    tl;dr

                    You don't need antivirus on Linux in 99% of scenarios

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                    • richardisaguy@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                      AMD DRIVERS - Linux's built in drivers
                      Chrome - Chrome
                      gmail - gmail
                      Office 360 - Office 360 (web)
                      Norton - You don't need such piece of adware in Linux
                      Py-charm - py-charm
                      Star citizen - Star citizen though steam
                      VPN - Proton VPN (my suggestion)
                      Windows 10 - Fedora KDE

                      My suggestions if you want a smoother transition, repeated ones have Linux versions

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                      You need to double up your newlines 🙂

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                      • communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyzC [email protected]

                        I honestly think mint is an outdated suggestion for beginners, I think immutability is extremely important for someone who is just starting out, as well as starting on KDE since it’s by far the most developed DE that isn’t gnome and their… design decisions are unfortunate for people coming from windows.

                        I don’t think we should be recommending mint to beginners anymore, if mint makes an immutable, up to date KDE distro, that’ll change, but until then, I think bazzite is objectively a better starting place for beginners.

                        The mere fact that it generates a new system for you on update and lets you switch between and rollback automatically is enough for me to say it’s better, but it also has more up to date software, and tons of guides (fedora is one of the most popular distros, and bazzite is essentially identical except with some QoL upgrades).

                        How common is the story of “I was new to linux and completely broke it”? that’s not a good user experience for someone who’s just starting, it’s intimidating, scary, and I just don’t think it’s the best in the modern era. There’s something to be said about learning from these mistakes, but bazzite essentially makes these mistakes impossible.

                        Furthermore because of the way bazzite works, package management is completely graphical and requires essentially no intervention on the users part, flathub and immutability pair excellently for this reason.

                        Cinnamon (the default mint environment) doesn’t and won’t support HDR, the security/performance improvements from wayland, color management, mixed refresh rate displays, mixed DPI displays, fractional scaling, and many other things for a very very long time if at all. I don’t understand the usecase for cinnamon tbh, xfce is great if you need performance but don’t want to make major sacrifices, lmde is great if you need A LOT of performance, cinnamon isn’t particularly performant and just a strictly worse version of kde in my eyes from the perspective of a beginner, anyway.

                        I have 15 years of linux experience and am willing to infinitely troubleshoot if you add me on matrix.

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                        Have to agree. Mint runs on long term support versions of Ubuntu releases. A lot of times this can cause issues with gaming because the kernel is so out of date, and thus the graphics driver is as well. Plus, they have snaps which are terrible compared to flatpaks.

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                        • isveryloud@lemmy.caI [email protected]

                          You need to double up your newlines 🙂

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                          Thank you, kind stranger, I haven't noticed my formatting was messed up

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                          • richardisaguy@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                            AMD DRIVERS - Linux's built in drivers
                            Chrome - Chrome
                            gmail - gmail
                            Office 360 - Office 360 (web)
                            Norton - You don't need such piece of adware in Linux
                            Py-charm - py-charm
                            Star citizen - Star citizen though steam
                            VPN - Proton VPN (my suggestion)
                            Windows 10 - Fedora KDE

                            My suggestions if you want a smoother transition, repeated ones have Linux versions

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                            At least get clamAV setup. No OS is virus immune. And if wine is installed without proper sandboxing ...

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                            • repletelocum@lemmy.blahaj.zoneR [email protected]

                              I have iTunes, because I have an iPhone. I don’t know of any other good way to get mp3s on my phone. (And to get games for emulators)

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                              Thanks! I didnt realize iTunes was still supported.

                              https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2023/12/transfer-music-ubuntu-iphone/amp/

                              Seems like you can also use the iOS VLC app to get mp3s on there

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                                At least get clamAV setup. No OS is virus immune. And if wine is installed without proper sandboxing ...

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                                SELinux, wine (and other apps) installed via user flatpak with proper permissions configued, coupled with ufw or firewalld, secure boot enabled and an immutable system should be fine, no?

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                                  What do you use iTunes for? That stood out to me.

                                  Also Chrome works fine on Linux, though Firefox is a better browser even on Windows.

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                                  I use itunes/icoulds for side loading onto my phone

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                                    I use itunes/icoulds for side loading onto my phone

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                                    side loading apps? or files?

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                                    • communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyzC [email protected]

                                      Antivirus is completely unnecessary and terrible on windows and linux... and on linux it's uniquely useless. Everything is installed from a centralized repo, antiviruses won't be of any help at all. antiviruses came about because windows let executables just be run easily and simply and used them as the default way of installing software, this was beyond idiotic and the reason that OS became infested with malware. Linux never made that mistake from the start, and so antivirus is unnecessary.

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                                      The real reason you won't need antivirus.

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                                      • richardisaguy@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                                        SELinux, wine (and other apps) installed via user flatpak with proper permissions configued, coupled with ufw or firewalld, secure boot enabled and an immutable system should be fine, no?

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                                        Ya probably. Toss in flat seal just because.

                                        Opsec is always a balancing act.

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                                        • synapse1278@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                          This isn't exactly what I recommend. Only in the case the hardware is bleeding edge, as in, it was released less than 6 month ago, then check in which Kernel version it starts to be supported, as well as check the Kernel version shipping with the distribution you are interested in installing. Distro Kernel version >= Kernel version where the driver starts to be included, no problems. Otherwise, check a distro that has more frequent upgrades.

                                          Things to check: GPU, CPU, WiFi chip, Ethernet chip. In windows you can find the information in the device manager. On Linux (e.g: test with a live USB) the command lspci with display the information.

                                          A common case would be: I am interested in Debian because I heard it's the most stable, will my AMD 5070XT work with that ? Probably not very well, better Check Ubuntu non-LTS or Fedora.

                                          I am not recommending op to modify the Kernel from the Linux distro, just consider this point in choosing the distro.

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