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What is something that should have died out a long time ago?

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    I'm not sure that's true.

    The supply chain for food is heavily dependent on diesel. All machinery on farms is diesel, and the trucks that move the food to silos then mills then factories and then shops are all diesel.

    Presently there's no real substitute for that machinery. Sure it might be technically possible to construct an electric tractor or truck but it's not economically viable at this time.

    The subsidies don't really serve to make fossil fuels continue to be viable, it's more like a measure to avoid sudden inflation due to fluctuations in the price of diesel.

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    There are dozens of companies making electric tractors, AND in a rural area it is much more viable to have solar panels than to rely on the next diesel delivery, or make long trips to the nearest filling station.

    Areas with solar panels are even posting higher crop yields.

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    • N [email protected]

      I just posted this in response to another idiot, but it works here too:

      I'm not sure that's true.

      The supply chain for food is heavily dependent on diesel. All machinery on farms is diesel, and the trucks that move the food to silos then mills then factories and then shops are all diesel.

      Presently there's no real substitute for that machinery. Sure it might be technically possible to construct an electric tractor or truck but it's not economically viable at this time.

      The subsidies don't really serve to make fossil fuels continue to be viable, it's more like a measure to avoid sudden inflation due to fluctuations in the price of diesel.

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      Actually there is..
      Like i said before there are many high quality electric tractors. I have even seen so many farmers even convert their old tractors to electric in response to John Deere's shitty policies.

      Farm equipment doesn't care what is is run on.

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        #145

        Gnats. And flies.

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        • hanrahan@lemmy.worldH [email protected]

          Humans organised by hierarchy.

          It never works and always ends with civilisations that ever attempt it collapsing. No matter how often we do the same dumb shit over and over it never works.. Are we insane anons ?

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          It works in communities of around 100 people, like those human evolved in. Which is why this is our default organization structure, every form of government devolves to sooner or later. Maybe we should give up the idea of countries or at least try to keep it in check with smart laws somehow.

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            Actually there is..
            Like i said before there are many high quality electric tractors. I have even seen so many farmers even convert their old tractors to electric in response to John Deere's shitty policies.

            Farm equipment doesn't care what is is run on.

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            Even if that were true they're not presently in common use. Agriculture presently runs on diesel.

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              Huh? No. I was gonna make the suicide joke. They got here first so I won't make the same joke.

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              But instead I made one.

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                🤣🤣🤣🤣
                There are dozens of companies making electric tractors, AND in a rural area it is much more viable to have solar panels than to rely on the next diesel delivery, or make long trips to the nearest filling station.

                Areas with solar panels are even posting higher crop yields.

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                I think you misunderstand the economic choice that smaller farms are making. When you can get a 50 year old workhorse tractor for 20k that you can actually maintain yourself, it makes far more sense than any 200k+ tractor whether diesel or electric. Additionally folks are used to diesel, they've already got a big tank on the property that they refill every few months, and they might not have sufficient electrical connection to get several of the giant swapable battery packs for their tractors and keep one on the charge while they work.

                If farmers were starting from scratch, sure it might make sense to go all solar and all electric, but these are folks who are constantly squeezed for cash, constantly relying on crop insurance and well-timed loans and subsidies to stay afloat living on 200 year old farms that have been in the family since the land was stolen from the native Americans, and probably still using the equipment dad bought in the 60s and 70s because that's the most financially viable option.

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                  I think you misunderstand the economic choice that smaller farms are making. When you can get a 50 year old workhorse tractor for 20k that you can actually maintain yourself, it makes far more sense than any 200k+ tractor whether diesel or electric. Additionally folks are used to diesel, they've already got a big tank on the property that they refill every few months, and they might not have sufficient electrical connection to get several of the giant swapable battery packs for their tractors and keep one on the charge while they work.

                  If farmers were starting from scratch, sure it might make sense to go all solar and all electric, but these are folks who are constantly squeezed for cash, constantly relying on crop insurance and well-timed loans and subsidies to stay afloat living on 200 year old farms that have been in the family since the land was stolen from the native Americans, and probably still using the equipment dad bought in the 60s and 70s because that's the most financially viable option.

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                  Ahahah, tractor you can maintain yourself. In America. What a joke

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                  • N [email protected]

                    I'm not sure that's true.

                    The supply chain for food is heavily dependent on diesel. All machinery on farms is diesel, and the trucks that move the food to silos then mills then factories and then shops are all diesel.

                    Presently there's no real substitute for that machinery. Sure it might be technically possible to construct an electric tractor or truck but it's not economically viable at this time.

                    The subsidies don't really serve to make fossil fuels continue to be viable, it's more like a measure to avoid sudden inflation due to fluctuations in the price of diesel.

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                    A diesel engine can literally run on vegetable oil. We don't need fossil fuel subsidies to keep farm tractors working.

                    If we must distort the market directly, we should do so on the demand side. Give farmers a per-Joule fuel subsidy, and let them use petro-disel, bio-disel, or electric as the market may provide.

                    Either we believe that markets work or we don't

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                      farm subsidies too, the only reason they are even here is because its a large voting block.

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                      I saw a vlog that interviewed local farmers that were trying to be diverse planting strawberries and veggies. They explained that they were barely making it, but if they just planted corn the subsidies would kick in and they're make a lot more.

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                        The Donald

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                        Lol who downvoted this

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                          I hear you. But then does the existence of some sort of higher purpose/unknown science necessarily imply everlasting life?

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                          No not necessarily, but it is the selling point of most religions that I'm aware of. Either eternal life itself or in the form of reincarnation.
                          Dying again in any way after our initial death doesn't make very much sense to me and doesn't have much selling power, I'd imagine...
                          Anything existing after death just brings way too much fantasy/wishful thinking for me to be comfortable with. I love these concepts in movies or books, but they go straight into the horror or fantasy genres for me.
                          There's simply no evidence for anything existing after death. If that changes at some point, then I'd be willing to look into that and change my point of view on it. But I'd be surprised if that happens before my time is up...

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                            Gnats. And flies.

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                            Probably a huge food source for other organisms, so I guess they better keep on existing... Might upset some important balance otherwise...
                            But they can be a nuisance for sure!

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                              Probably a huge food source for other organisms, so I guess they better keep on existing... Might upset some important balance otherwise...
                              But they can be a nuisance for sure!

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                              Yeah, i know, spiders and the like. But mosquitoes on the other hand are apparently not even a good food source.

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                                It is the same in Canada. However, there are still special provisions that 2nd class the labor rights of restaurant employees.

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                                In Ontario, minimum wage is the same for all.

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                                  A diesel engine can literally run on vegetable oil. We don't need fossil fuel subsidies to keep farm tractors working.

                                  If we must distort the market directly, we should do so on the demand side. Give farmers a per-Joule fuel subsidy, and let them use petro-disel, bio-disel, or electric as the market may provide.

                                  Either we believe that markets work or we don't

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                                  Obviously, there isn't enough vegetable oil to run every tractor and every truck.

                                  In Australia, bio diesel is subsidised in the same way regular diesel is.

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                                    Tips. How ridiculous is it that restaurant owners guilt us into paying their employees salaries because they are too cheap to pay them a living wage? How unjust is it that we chose to tip the people who bring our food from the kitchen to our table and leave the hundreds of other service workers without tips?

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                                    Weirdly, Alaska, California, Guam, Minnesota, Nevada, Oregon, Washington, and in the vast majority of cases Montana have no exemptions for tipped employees, and shockingly they still have restaurants. And customers aren't paying exorbitant prices for food (except where I live in middle-of-nowhere island Alaska) compared to the rest of the country.

                                    It's almost like their entire argument of not being able to keep their business if they have to actually pay their employees is either nonsense or a skill issue.

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                                      Ahahah, tractor you can maintain yourself. In America. What a joke

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                                      That's one of the reasons why many smaller farms run 50-70 year old tractors, they're machines designed to be maintained and kept running indefinitely so we have farmers using literal antiques to get work done. Literally they'll drive off the field to the antique tractor ride then head back to the field to finish the days work after the ride.

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                                        Religion.

                                        It served a purpose when societies were first moving from hunting and gathering to agriculture. A community needed to coalesce around something tangible for resource sharing, protection, decision making, etc...

                                        It's why, from a societal evolution perspective, we went from totemic religions based on fertility and family groups, to mass religions with defined hierachies and roles, because the evolution or religions reflect that evolutions of society at the time.

                                        We don't need that anymore. It does more harm than good in the modern world.

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                                        People used to need religion to stop them from functioning the same as animals back then, but in this century, if someone needs to be told by a religion that murder is bad to stop them from doing it, then they should be locked up.

                                        Also so much molesting goes on at religious places that people just sweep under the rug. And what batshit crazy is going on with women in religions? Like there is a stoning sentence for a married woman who cheats, she just cheated! Get a freaking divorce and move on.

                                        Cults get so much shit but what exactly is the difference between a religion and cult? They sound pretty similar if you look from an outside perspective.

                                        The most important thing is we gotta think about the children. Just imagine how cruel it would sound to an alien.

                                        "We make our 9 year Old daughters up before sunrise every morning to pray but our sons can avoid that till they are 14"

                                        "We make our kids go without food or drinks for 16 hours everyday for a month every year. It is good for their body! (Kid passes out in the background)"

                                        "My daughter is having her first child too late. She is 14!"

                                        "So we send our daughters to be nuns, they will live there until they die."

                                        "I cut my son's dongdong."

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