French President Macron says France will recognize Palestine as a state
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States only exist in our minds.
Lol so I agree with you 100%. There is a strong case against the recognition of any states on that basis.
But, so long as we have a legal system that functions on the basis of this social construct, the idea that we should capriciously decide to recognize or not recognize various states doesn’t serve any practical purpose that I can see.
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You don’t have to think Israel should exist. But what good does it do to pretend they don’t when they obviously do?
I am not speaking of a “they”, but of a “what.”
israel is a group of invasive terrorists who, for almost a century now, or more depending on inclusion of zionism, have invaded a land that was already a nation on its own and already recognized by the world.
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I am not saying they can't do more, or that they are not culpable.
I am saying that this is Macron inching away from the genocidal chorus towards the side trying to do something. I am not even saying he's actually going to take that side, just that maybe he will.
I am saying that this is Macron inching away from the genocidal chorus towards the side trying to do something
Congrats you got fooled, that's exactly what Israel and macron want you to believeTHE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC
Paris, July 24, 2025
Mr. President,
By letter dated June 9, 2025, you informed France and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia of the will of the Palestinian Authority to put an end to the war in Gaza with a view to achieving just and lasting peace in the region, while strongly reaffirming its support for the implementation of the two-state solution. You condemned the terrorist attacks of October 7, 2023, and called for the immediate release of hostages held by Hamas, advocated the disarmament of Hamas, and its withdrawal from the governance of Gaza. You highlighted the commitment of the Palestinian Authority to fully assume its responsibilities in all Palestinian territories, including Gaza, to undergo deep reforms, and to organize presidential and legislative elections in 2026 in order to strengthen its legitimacy and authority over the future Palestinian State, which you emphasized should not be militarized.
I commend these courageous commitments and, in return, I inform you of France's mobilization in favor of the implementation of the two-state solution, with Israel and Palestine living side by side in peace and security. This solution constitutes the only path that can respond to the legitimate aspirations of Israelis as well as Palestinians. We must now achieve it as quickly as possible.
Civilian populations have paid an unbearable price during the terrorist attacks of October 7 by Hamas and during the war pursued by Israel in Gaza. At the same time, the prospect of a negotiated solution to the conflict in the Middle East seems to be receding. I do not accept this.
His Excellency Mr. Mahmoud ABBAS
President of the Palestinian AuthorityNo condemnation of Israel occupation , blaming everything on Hamas and asking demilitarization without providing zero security guarantees, yet you think macron is genuine about recognizing Palestine and about Palestinians living in peace
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The legal system also only exists because we wrote our thoughts down. It’s barely more real than a border.
The legal system also only exists because we wrote our thoughts down.
so does math. still nobody would argue that math is wrong or arbitrary because of that
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You don’t have to think Israel should exist. But what good does it do to pretend they don’t when they obviously do?
Like seriously? Who puts Liberty in their username? Nations exist to oppress and enslave us. Liberty.. What a fucking joke.
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And our legal system.
Ending borders is a noble ideal but it's not currently practical. People need many of the services their country provides, like healthcare, elderly care, pensions, unemployment assistance etc.
With no national boundaries, and no alternative system in place, society as we know it collapses.
Good, civilization should collapse. I want the human species to go extinct! Preferably before we wipe out the rest of all the animals and plants! Fucking pathetic humans.
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What is even the point in recognizing the tiny piece of land that is Gaza and the mostly desert that is west jordan land as a palestinian state? In this case, i guess it's more than obvious that Israel is an invader into the middle east and shouldn't even be there in the first place. By cementing a two-state solution, it just gives legitimacy to Israel. I'm in fact for a one-state solution, which is only Palestine. Israel doesn't have a right to exist after all, this much is clear, finally.
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Like seriously? Who puts Liberty in their username? Nations exist to oppress and enslave us. Liberty.. What a fucking joke.
You can be an anarchist if that's what you believe is best. But belittling people who don't think like you is stupid and childish.
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Yeah. exactly why Palestine should be recognized. israel is, however, a european invention and terrorist colony.
The first part applies to... Most of the world outside of Europe?
The second part applies, to lesser degrees, to a large part of the world. Such as the USA.
What even is this argument. Israel's not a state? Well fucking great, so following that logic which state should we hold responsible for Israel's crimes then?
Europe's colonial past is a whole-ass subject but amongst all the potential ways to try to make up for it, "stop formally recognizing former colonies because we fucked it up too badly" is one of the worst takes I've heard.
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Non tangible things are still real. Families are real.
The creation of complex systems is uniquely human and is what allows development and progress.
Without these systems, laws and things including incorporatng non human entities has pros and cons. Development of healthcare and increasing longevity and increased food production, sanitation and reduction in hunger are a benefit. War and genocide are a problem. However, wars still happened before the introduction of borders. See Norse vikings, Roman empire creation etc.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]However, wars still happened before the introduction of borders
The concept of borders did not exist yet but the earliest wars was definitely about territories control for accessing more natural resources . It's basically the same
This implies that the resources the people of Nataruk had at the time were valuable and worth fighting for, whether it was water, dried meat or fish, gathered nuts or indeed women and children. This shows that two of the conditions associated with warfare among settled societies—control of territory and resources— were probably the same for these hunter-gatherers, and that we have underestimated their role in prehistory.
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The first part applies to... Most of the world outside of Europe?
The second part applies, to lesser degrees, to a large part of the world. Such as the USA.
What even is this argument. Israel's not a state? Well fucking great, so following that logic which state should we hold responsible for Israel's crimes then?
Europe's colonial past is a whole-ass subject but amongst all the potential ways to try to make up for it, "stop formally recognizing former colonies because we fucked it up too badly" is one of the worst takes I've heard.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]state held responsible? PEOPLE, individuals, yes. People who are running that terrorist shitshow. Members of various places around the world. And yes. That includes a lot of people. Sanctions on a state never work. People need prison. for crimes against humanity.
Stop pretending it is ok that israel exist as a recognized nation; it is younger than some of the people still living there!
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when?? after every Palestinian has starved to death? just so they can pretend to have a moral standing?
At the next UN assembly. It says right there in the article.
Basically France now recognises the State of Palestine, and will make it official at the UN assembly.
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At the next UN assembly. It says right there in the article.
Basically France now recognises the State of Palestine, and will make it official at the UN assembly.
it was rethorical... thousands more will starve by September
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when?? after every Palestinian has starved to death? just so they can pretend to have a moral standing?
Ah well, guess they better not do it until they can invent a time machine, then.
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it was rethorical... thousands more will starve by September
Recognising the state of Palestine in over a month doesn't change the urgency to let aid reach Palestinians. Of course work on that front must be done as well, and sooner than September.
I just don't understand your point. How does officially recognising the statehood of Palestine now or in a month affect the current starvation crisis?
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What is even the point in recognizing the tiny piece of land that is Gaza and the mostly desert that is west jordan land as a palestinian state? In this case, i guess it's more than obvious that Israel is an invader into the middle east and shouldn't even be there in the first place. By cementing a two-state solution, it just gives legitimacy to Israel. I'm in fact for a one-state solution, which is only Palestine. Israel doesn't have a right to exist after all, this much is clear, finally.
Israel has forfeited their right to exist. I used to be on their side, no longer.
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The first part applies to... Most of the world outside of Europe?
The second part applies, to lesser degrees, to a large part of the world. Such as the USA.
What even is this argument. Israel's not a state? Well fucking great, so following that logic which state should we hold responsible for Israel's crimes then?
Europe's colonial past is a whole-ass subject but amongst all the potential ways to try to make up for it, "stop formally recognizing former colonies because we fucked it up too badly" is one of the worst takes I've heard.
The second part applies, to lesser degrees, to a large part of the world. Such as the USA.
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Ah well, guess they better not do it until they can invent a time machine, then.
They didn't do it, he just said they will.
They are trying to cover their assess from the accountability of being complicit with the genocide the whole time, they are counting on people like you to let them get away with it.
What does recognize Palestinian state mean? They'll give us what's left of the rubble in Gaza and the few ghettos they allow us to call the Palestinian territory in the West Bank?
Is there anything proposed that will actually give Palestinians any semblance of justice?
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Recognising the state of Palestine in over a month doesn't change the urgency to let aid reach Palestinians. Of course work on that front must be done as well, and sooner than September.
I just don't understand your point. How does officially recognising the statehood of Palestine now or in a month affect the current starvation crisis?
It doesn't, that's the point. We don't need them to recognize Palestine now or next month, we need them to address the genocide. End all support for Israel, and use UN forces to actually stop the genocide.
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Not recognizing states that obviously exist is extremely silly.
Why? Do you actually believe states have rights?
States are invented, lines are drawn on maps and people are divided by elites, it's silly to insist that a genocidal ethno state should simple continue to exist because it already exists.
We don't want a two state solution, we want one state where everyone is treated equally regardless of religion.
