French President Macron says France will recognize Palestine as a state
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At the next UN assembly. It says right there in the article.
Basically France now recognises the State of Palestine, and will make it official at the UN assembly.
it was rethorical... thousands more will starve by September
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when?? after every Palestinian has starved to death? just so they can pretend to have a moral standing?
Ah well, guess they better not do it until they can invent a time machine, then.
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it was rethorical... thousands more will starve by September
Recognising the state of Palestine in over a month doesn't change the urgency to let aid reach Palestinians. Of course work on that front must be done as well, and sooner than September.
I just don't understand your point. How does officially recognising the statehood of Palestine now or in a month affect the current starvation crisis?
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What is even the point in recognizing the tiny piece of land that is Gaza and the mostly desert that is west jordan land as a palestinian state? In this case, i guess it's more than obvious that Israel is an invader into the middle east and shouldn't even be there in the first place. By cementing a two-state solution, it just gives legitimacy to Israel. I'm in fact for a one-state solution, which is only Palestine. Israel doesn't have a right to exist after all, this much is clear, finally.
Israel has forfeited their right to exist. I used to be on their side, no longer.
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The first part applies to... Most of the world outside of Europe?
The second part applies, to lesser degrees, to a large part of the world. Such as the USA.
What even is this argument. Israel's not a state? Well fucking great, so following that logic which state should we hold responsible for Israel's crimes then?
Europe's colonial past is a whole-ass subject but amongst all the potential ways to try to make up for it, "stop formally recognizing former colonies because we fucked it up too badly" is one of the worst takes I've heard.
The second part applies, to lesser degrees, to a large part of the world. Such as the USA.
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Ah well, guess they better not do it until they can invent a time machine, then.
They didn't do it, he just said they will.
They are trying to cover their assess from the accountability of being complicit with the genocide the whole time, they are counting on people like you to let them get away with it.
What does recognize Palestinian state mean? They'll give us what's left of the rubble in Gaza and the few ghettos they allow us to call the Palestinian territory in the West Bank?
Is there anything proposed that will actually give Palestinians any semblance of justice?
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Recognising the state of Palestine in over a month doesn't change the urgency to let aid reach Palestinians. Of course work on that front must be done as well, and sooner than September.
I just don't understand your point. How does officially recognising the statehood of Palestine now or in a month affect the current starvation crisis?
It doesn't, that's the point. We don't need them to recognize Palestine now or next month, we need them to address the genocide. End all support for Israel, and use UN forces to actually stop the genocide.
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Not recognizing states that obviously exist is extremely silly.
Why? Do you actually believe states have rights?
States are invented, lines are drawn on maps and people are divided by elites, it's silly to insist that a genocidal ethno state should simple continue to exist because it already exists.
We don't want a two state solution, we want one state where everyone is treated equally regardless of religion.
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The legal system also only exists because we wrote our thoughts down.
so does math. still nobody would argue that math is wrong or arbitrary because of that
There are and have been many different legal systems throughout the world and history. The one we’re familiar with is from the Romans - hence all the Latin legal terms - and was spread by colonialism.
It is nothing like math, which was discovered independently by various cultures around the world.
For more details read chapter 7 of David Graeber’s “Debt”
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Lol so I agree with you 100%. There is a strong case against the recognition of any states on that basis.
But, so long as we have a legal system that functions on the basis of this social construct, the idea that we should capriciously decide to recognize or not recognize various states doesn’t serve any practical purpose that I can see.
Especially when they, as a matter of fact, do exercise authority over a given territory.Yes, as long as the people with guns say I must believe in states I will pretend to believe in states.
Like a toddler of the corn with an imaginary friend.
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Non tangible things are still real. Families are real.
The creation of complex systems is uniquely human and is what allows development and progress.
Without these systems, laws and things including incorporatng non human entities has pros and cons. Development of healthcare and increasing longevity and increased food production, sanitation and reduction in hunger are a benefit. War and genocide are a problem. However, wars still happened before the introduction of borders. See Norse vikings, Roman empire creation etc.
They are inter-subjective realities. As opposed to subjective realities - the sky looks blue to me - and objective realities - the sky is blue because of the refraction of light and varies in color due to atmospheric conditions.
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"hello? Based department?"
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You can be an anarchist if that's what you believe is best. But belittling people who don't think like you is stupid and childish.
some of us are already anarchists.
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The legal system also only exists because we wrote our thoughts down.
so does math. still nobody would argue that math is wrong or arbitrary because of that
math exists outside of humanity though. it is a priori. nation states exist because some people decided to enslave others.
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So now being French and liking the French and anything French by extension is going to be made illegal in places.
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"hello? Based department?"
wrote on last edited by [email protected]France was also the loudest opponent within NATO of the second Gulf War, and they also ejected all the US nuclear sites from their country in the 60s. It's the reason why the "French are cowards" trope keeps getting pushed in American culture.
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It doesn't, that's the point. We don't need them to recognize Palestine now or next month, we need them to address the genocide. End all support for Israel, and use UN forces to actually stop the genocide.
This is part of that process. France is sort of saying that they are willing to put boots on the ground to stop this, without saying exactly that.
Because being a member state of the UN comes with perks, like the ability to request UN peace keepers.
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Well, nice knowin' ya
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France was also the loudest opponent within NATO of the second Gulf War, and they also ejected all the US nuclear sites from their country in the 60s. It's the reason why the "French are cowards" trope keeps getting pushed in American culture.
"there is no French word for entrepreneur"
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math exists outside of humanity though. it is a priori. nation states exist because some people decided to enslave others.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]well i guess law was originally derived from people's ambition towards power and society's need to still be organized. that's a universal phenomenon, even if you encountered an exotic animal species on another planet, i reckon.
that's what makes it more universal than you think.
a lot of details in our law are arbitrary, but so is math notation and even a lot of conventions that we use (consider 2π = 6.28 instead of π = 6.28). still, the core of the field is universal, i believe.
