French President Macron says France will recognize Palestine as a state
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The legal system also only exists because we wrote our thoughts down.
so does math. still nobody would argue that math is wrong or arbitrary because of that
There are and have been many different legal systems throughout the world and history. The one we’re familiar with is from the Romans - hence all the Latin legal terms - and was spread by colonialism.
It is nothing like math, which was discovered independently by various cultures around the world.
For more details read chapter 7 of David Graeber’s “Debt”
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Lol so I agree with you 100%. There is a strong case against the recognition of any states on that basis.
But, so long as we have a legal system that functions on the basis of this social construct, the idea that we should capriciously decide to recognize or not recognize various states doesn’t serve any practical purpose that I can see.
Especially when they, as a matter of fact, do exercise authority over a given territory.Yes, as long as the people with guns say I must believe in states I will pretend to believe in states.
Like a toddler of the corn with an imaginary friend.
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Non tangible things are still real. Families are real.
The creation of complex systems is uniquely human and is what allows development and progress.
Without these systems, laws and things including incorporatng non human entities has pros and cons. Development of healthcare and increasing longevity and increased food production, sanitation and reduction in hunger are a benefit. War and genocide are a problem. However, wars still happened before the introduction of borders. See Norse vikings, Roman empire creation etc.
They are inter-subjective realities. As opposed to subjective realities - the sky looks blue to me - and objective realities - the sky is blue because of the refraction of light and varies in color due to atmospheric conditions.
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"hello? Based department?"
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You can be an anarchist if that's what you believe is best. But belittling people who don't think like you is stupid and childish.
some of us are already anarchists.
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The legal system also only exists because we wrote our thoughts down.
so does math. still nobody would argue that math is wrong or arbitrary because of that
math exists outside of humanity though. it is a priori. nation states exist because some people decided to enslave others.
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So now being French and liking the French and anything French by extension is going to be made illegal in places.
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"hello? Based department?"
wrote on last edited by [email protected]France was also the loudest opponent within NATO of the second Gulf War, and they also ejected all the US nuclear sites from their country in the 60s. It's the reason why the "French are cowards" trope keeps getting pushed in American culture.
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It doesn't, that's the point. We don't need them to recognize Palestine now or next month, we need them to address the genocide. End all support for Israel, and use UN forces to actually stop the genocide.
This is part of that process. France is sort of saying that they are willing to put boots on the ground to stop this, without saying exactly that.
Because being a member state of the UN comes with perks, like the ability to request UN peace keepers.
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Well, nice knowin' ya
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France was also the loudest opponent within NATO of the second Gulf War, and they also ejected all the US nuclear sites from their country in the 60s. It's the reason why the "French are cowards" trope keeps getting pushed in American culture.
"there is no French word for entrepreneur"
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math exists outside of humanity though. it is a priori. nation states exist because some people decided to enslave others.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]well i guess law was originally derived from people's ambition towards power and society's need to still be organized. that's a universal phenomenon, even if you encountered an exotic animal species on another planet, i reckon.
that's what makes it more universal than you think.
a lot of details in our law are arbitrary, but so is math notation and even a lot of conventions that we use (consider 2π = 6.28 instead of π = 6.28). still, the core of the field is universal, i believe.
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it was rethorical... thousands more will starve by September
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well i guess law was originally derived from people's ambition towards power and society's need to still be organized. that's a universal phenomenon, even if you encountered an exotic animal species on another planet, i reckon.
that's what makes it more universal than you think.
a lot of details in our law are arbitrary, but so is math notation and even a lot of conventions that we use (consider 2π = 6.28 instead of π = 6.28). still, the core of the field is universal, i believe.
1+1 does not equal 2 even if you “notate” it differently. That’s the thing about math. compared to power structures invented by humans who have to kill each other over the “science” behind sharing a fucking drinking fountain with a black person.
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Cool, now pay reparations to Haiti.
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France was also the loudest opponent within NATO of the second Gulf War, and they also ejected all the US nuclear sites from their country in the 60s. It's the reason why the "French are cowards" trope keeps getting pushed in American culture.
"French are cowards" trope
Yeah I hate that one. France being great and the French being a bunch of legends aside, the French army is the most successful in all of history to the best of my knowledge. That one "recent" blip aside.
You have to hand it to the Germans though... The oul blitzkrieg was a game changer. No shade on the French. Maybe a little for not reinforcing the Ardennes route but sure look, hindsight is 20/20 and all that.
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"French are cowards" trope
Yeah I hate that one. France being great and the French being a bunch of legends aside, the French army is the most successful in all of history to the best of my knowledge. That one "recent" blip aside.
You have to hand it to the Germans though... The oul blitzkrieg was a game changer. No shade on the French. Maybe a little for not reinforcing the Ardennes route but sure look, hindsight is 20/20 and all that.
That one “recent” blip aside.
Even then, France held out for more days than many other WW2 countries who don't get accused of cowardice for it.
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well i guess law was originally derived from people's ambition towards power and society's need to still be organized. that's a universal phenomenon, even if you encountered an exotic animal species on another planet, i reckon.
that's what makes it more universal than you think.
a lot of details in our law are arbitrary, but so is math notation and even a lot of conventions that we use (consider 2π = 6.28 instead of π = 6.28). still, the core of the field is universal, i believe.
Our system of law was derived from the Romans who thought people could own other people.
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I am saying that this is Macron inching away from the genocidal chorus towards the side trying to do something
Congrats you got fooled, that's exactly what Israel and macron want you to believeTHE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC
Paris, July 24, 2025
Mr. President,
By letter dated June 9, 2025, you informed France and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia of the will of the Palestinian Authority to put an end to the war in Gaza with a view to achieving just and lasting peace in the region, while strongly reaffirming its support for the implementation of the two-state solution. You condemned the terrorist attacks of October 7, 2023, and called for the immediate release of hostages held by Hamas, advocated the disarmament of Hamas, and its withdrawal from the governance of Gaza. You highlighted the commitment of the Palestinian Authority to fully assume its responsibilities in all Palestinian territories, including Gaza, to undergo deep reforms, and to organize presidential and legislative elections in 2026 in order to strengthen its legitimacy and authority over the future Palestinian State, which you emphasized should not be militarized.
I commend these courageous commitments and, in return, I inform you of France's mobilization in favor of the implementation of the two-state solution, with Israel and Palestine living side by side in peace and security. This solution constitutes the only path that can respond to the legitimate aspirations of Israelis as well as Palestinians. We must now achieve it as quickly as possible.
Civilian populations have paid an unbearable price during the terrorist attacks of October 7 by Hamas and during the war pursued by Israel in Gaza. At the same time, the prospect of a negotiated solution to the conflict in the Middle East seems to be receding. I do not accept this.
His Excellency Mr. Mahmoud ABBAS
President of the Palestinian AuthorityNo condemnation of Israel occupation , blaming everything on Hamas and asking demilitarization without providing zero security guarantees, yet you think macron is genuine about recognizing Palestine and about Palestinians living in peace
Can you sum up what do you think is the play here and how can changing course on Gaza distract from Gaza?
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That one “recent” blip aside.
Even then, France held out for more days than many other WW2 countries who don't get accused of cowardice for it.
Yeah in the face of it they were pragmatic. Given the circumstances, after the initial outmanoeuvre I've never seen anyone criticise what they did with a meaningful alternative and they ate shit to get the Brits back across the channel so they could fight another day.
Vive la France!
