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USA is no longer wanting to appear reasonable. It has forever said goodbye to being the world police with limited liability.
Instead it's no only after its own simple selfish gains. And it won't face other predators but instead work with them if deemed worth it.The biggest threat to Europe is no longer Russia or china. The most immediate threat to European soil is by the us in Greenland.
I don't think that trump and Vance are going to stop short of what they announced. They will go for Greenland.
This time the roles are reversed. It's no longer the US saving Europe as in the World wars.
This time it might go all the way around that the US also invade Canada and that Europa has to find it's position to bringing them to their senses.
At the end of the day what this means that borders become increasingly uncertain.
The question is what policy will prevail. Predator logic or community based on the protection of minority rights.
Btw. I favor the later but I'm also a fan of the strict division of nations by borders.
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USA is no longer wanting to appear reasonable. It has forever said goodbye to being the world police with limited liability.
Instead it's no only after its own simple selfish gains. And it won't face other predators but instead work with them if deemed worth it.The biggest threat to Europe is no longer Russia or china. The most immediate threat to European soil is by the us in Greenland.
I don't think that trump and Vance are going to stop short of what they announced. They will go for Greenland.
This time the roles are reversed. It's no longer the US saving Europe as in the World wars.
This time it might go all the way around that the US also invade Canada and that Europa has to find it's position to bringing them to their senses.
At the end of the day what this means that borders become increasingly uncertain.
The question is what policy will prevail. Predator logic or community based on the protection of minority rights.
Btw. I favor the later but I'm also a fan of the strict division of nations by borders.
I imagine it’ll kick off at once. Canada will defend Greenland as if it were our own.
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USA is no longer wanting to appear reasonable. It has forever said goodbye to being the world police with limited liability.
Instead it's no only after its own simple selfish gains. And it won't face other predators but instead work with them if deemed worth it.The biggest threat to Europe is no longer Russia or china. The most immediate threat to European soil is by the us in Greenland.
I don't think that trump and Vance are going to stop short of what they announced. They will go for Greenland.
This time the roles are reversed. It's no longer the US saving Europe as in the World wars.
This time it might go all the way around that the US also invade Canada and that Europa has to find it's position to bringing them to their senses.
At the end of the day what this means that borders become increasingly uncertain.
The question is what policy will prevail. Predator logic or community based on the protection of minority rights.
Btw. I favor the later but I'm also a fan of the strict division of nations by borders.
Your take is quite reasonable, but can we please collectively stop regurgitating this "the US saved Europe in WW1/WW2" nonsense? It's crazy how much they influenced our perception of history to the point where some of us genuinely believe they were our saviours.
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Your take is quite reasonable, but can we please collectively stop regurgitating this "the US saved Europe in WW1/WW2" nonsense? It's crazy how much they influenced our perception of history to the point where some of us genuinely believe they were our saviours.
I understand that tensions are high right now and that we're angry at how we're being treated, but I don't agree with your statement.
The US contributed massively towards ending both wars. If the US didn't intervene in WW1, the war would have dragged on even further which would have caused additional casualties and destruction to an already exhausted continent. The Americans saved a lot of lives and Wilson's 14 points was the foundation for European democracy for years afterwards. Many nations would not have been able to establish their own states in Europe otherwise.
In WW2 while it wasn't the primary reason the Third Reich fell (that would be the Soviets), the US is in large part responsible for liberating most of Western Europe from German occupation. Additionally, American post war monetary aid allowed Europe to rebuild at a faster pace and their security guarantees maintained peace on the continent throughout the Cold War.
I think it's important to differentiate between the US right now and the US back then. We're talking about two different societies here. Let's not mix in the Americans that fought and died for our freedom with Trump and his cronies.
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I understand that tensions are high right now and that we're angry at how we're being treated, but I don't agree with your statement.
The US contributed massively towards ending both wars. If the US didn't intervene in WW1, the war would have dragged on even further which would have caused additional casualties and destruction to an already exhausted continent. The Americans saved a lot of lives and Wilson's 14 points was the foundation for European democracy for years afterwards. Many nations would not have been able to establish their own states in Europe otherwise.
In WW2 while it wasn't the primary reason the Third Reich fell (that would be the Soviets), the US is in large part responsible for liberating most of Western Europe from German occupation. Additionally, American post war monetary aid allowed Europe to rebuild at a faster pace and their security guarantees maintained peace on the continent throughout the Cold War.
I think it's important to differentiate between the US right now and the US back then. We're talking about two different societies here. Let's not mix in the Americans that fought and died for our freedom with Trump and his cronies.
You're right, but all of that doesn't equate to the US "saving" Europe. We should be grateful for every single nation that contributed to ending the suffering in Europe at the time, so I find it a bit disingenuous to only name the US when we talk about these events.
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You're right, but all of that doesn't equate to the US "saving" Europe. We should be grateful for every single nation that contributed to ending the suffering in Europe at the time, so I find it a bit disingenuous to only name the US when we talk about these events.
We should be grateful for every single nation that contributed to ending the suffering in Europe at the time, so I find it a bit disingenuous to only name the US when we talk about these events.
I fully agree with this statement, just not the manner in which you express yourself when refferring to these events. A lot of people would view your initial comment as being hateful over your interpretation of the word "saved". I have no problem saying the Americans saved us. Just like I have no problems saying the Canadians saved us, or the Australians or all the other nations that took part in the World Wars on the side of the Entente/Allies. The people that fought chose to leave their countries and risk their lives for us. I think it's disrespectful towards their memory to be bickering over this just because of a nepo baby that's causing us headaches right now.
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USA is no longer wanting to appear reasonable. It has forever said goodbye to being the world police with limited liability.
Instead it's no only after its own simple selfish gains. And it won't face other predators but instead work with them if deemed worth it.The biggest threat to Europe is no longer Russia or china. The most immediate threat to European soil is by the us in Greenland.
I don't think that trump and Vance are going to stop short of what they announced. They will go for Greenland.
This time the roles are reversed. It's no longer the US saving Europe as in the World wars.
This time it might go all the way around that the US also invade Canada and that Europa has to find it's position to bringing them to their senses.
At the end of the day what this means that borders become increasingly uncertain.
The question is what policy will prevail. Predator logic or community based on the protection of minority rights.
Btw. I favor the later but I'm also a fan of the strict division of nations by borders.
US annexing Canada and China invading Alaska is the scenario from Fallout. But the timeline has moved by ~50 years...
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US annexing Canada and China invading Alaska is the scenario from Fallout. But the timeline has moved by ~50 years...
Isn't it lore that the middle east are gone years before Alaska is invaded?
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I understand that tensions are high right now and that we're angry at how we're being treated, but I don't agree with your statement.
The US contributed massively towards ending both wars. If the US didn't intervene in WW1, the war would have dragged on even further which would have caused additional casualties and destruction to an already exhausted continent. The Americans saved a lot of lives and Wilson's 14 points was the foundation for European democracy for years afterwards. Many nations would not have been able to establish their own states in Europe otherwise.
In WW2 while it wasn't the primary reason the Third Reich fell (that would be the Soviets), the US is in large part responsible for liberating most of Western Europe from German occupation. Additionally, American post war monetary aid allowed Europe to rebuild at a faster pace and their security guarantees maintained peace on the continent throughout the Cold War.
I think it's important to differentiate between the US right now and the US back then. We're talking about two different societies here. Let's not mix in the Americans that fought and died for our freedom with Trump and his cronies.
US of the past is also the only nation to ever nuke an adversary. It wasn't necessary either. It was a show of force that could have been as effective if detonated at sea.
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We should be grateful for every single nation that contributed to ending the suffering in Europe at the time, so I find it a bit disingenuous to only name the US when we talk about these events.
I fully agree with this statement, just not the manner in which you express yourself when refferring to these events. A lot of people would view your initial comment as being hateful over your interpretation of the word "saved". I have no problem saying the Americans saved us. Just like I have no problems saying the Canadians saved us, or the Australians or all the other nations that took part in the World Wars on the side of the Entente/Allies. The people that fought chose to leave their countries and risk their lives for us. I think it's disrespectful towards their memory to be bickering over this just because of a nepo baby that's causing us headaches right now.
There is a significant portion of the US that supports all this.
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