Valve seems to have quietly rolled out a major upgrade to their Anti-Cheat system and it’s apparently wrecking havoc on cheat providers
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I don’t generally have a problem with anti-cheat mechanisms except when they require things like secure-boot or allowing me to do what I want with my machine.
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That's what I don't get cheating is rampant in online games but why? What fun is it to cheat I would think it takes the fin out of the game.
and the victim is denied any recourse or any fun in playing the game
That is how they get enjoyment from the game, denying other players.
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Re-read your original comment, m8. If you really didn’t want to condemn all hacking, then you did a good job stating the exact opposite.
Context collapse strikes again! Assuming my statements won’t be taken to their extreme is exhausting.
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I'd actually imagine for non-Microsoft properties, they would have all the more reason to run away from Windows to linux as soon as the anticheat issue is resolved.
I'd imagine they would come to the same conclusion that Gaben had with Win8: Relying on Microsoft "never restricting" the installation of software outside of the windows/Xbox store in the future is a huge gamble. Better to avoid the risk entirely.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Right I used to think Android would be smart enough to maintain the illusion of an open platform alternative to Apple that doesn't restrict users as heavily, but even Android is moving towards a locked down platform that doesn't let users sideload apps or install alternative OS, if this succeeds then I'm quite sure Microsoft will follow suit the greedy fucks that they are. We need more alternative phone companies and easier ways to make cross platform apps that can run on non Apple and Android phones easily
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I was blissfully unaware, probably because I'm not cheating scum.
Couldn't have happened to a better community of people.
Fuck cheaters.
IMO, cheating is just taking away all the fun of the game. The cheater didn't have to get gud to be able to win, and the victim is denied any recourse or any fun in playing the game. Bluntly, I have absolutely no sympathy at all for these kinds of people. If you suck at the game and need to use cheats to win, maybe don't fucking play it competitively?
There's a reason I've kept my counterstrike antics to private games among friends and local matches against bots. I have no interest in larder boards. I just want to have fun. Dying over and over before you can even do any damage, isn't fun.
If you're a cheater, get wrecked.
Bravo valve. Bravo.
Depending on who it is, and it’s obviously not even close to the vast majority of cheaters I’d imagine, there are people who cheat in tournaments and the like where they can win serious money, or people cheat so they can look good in front of viewers who pay them money. At that point there is both a practical reason for why they do it and also an excellent reason to get them to fuck all the way off because they’re not just cheating but are also theives.
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I was blissfully unaware, probably because I'm not cheating scum.
Couldn't have happened to a better community of people.
Fuck cheaters.
IMO, cheating is just taking away all the fun of the game. The cheater didn't have to get gud to be able to win, and the victim is denied any recourse or any fun in playing the game. Bluntly, I have absolutely no sympathy at all for these kinds of people. If you suck at the game and need to use cheats to win, maybe don't fucking play it competitively?
There's a reason I've kept my counterstrike antics to private games among friends and local matches against bots. I have no interest in larder boards. I just want to have fun. Dying over and over before you can even do any damage, isn't fun.
If you're a cheater, get wrecked.
Bravo valve. Bravo.
I never cheat in multiplayer. But if a single-player game has a "hacking" minigame, I'm absolutely loading up Ghidra & GDB and figuring out how to actually hack around it. Pretty much always harder than just playing the minigame, but more fun.
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Maybe I should've clarified something, as the older games were included due to the fact that GTA's writing, content and mechanics were just disgusting. On top of that, I wouldn't do any of that stuff in real life, let alone in something like GTA.
On top of that, I wouldn't do any of that stuff in real life, let alone in something like GTA.
So you wouldn't do anything in a video game that you wouldn't do in real life?
I think you need to see a therapist if you have that much trouble differentiating fact from fiction
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Depending on who it is, and it’s obviously not even close to the vast majority of cheaters I’d imagine, there are people who cheat in tournaments and the like where they can win serious money, or people cheat so they can look good in front of viewers who pay them money. At that point there is both a practical reason for why they do it and also an excellent reason to get them to fuck all the way off because they’re not just cheating but are also theives.
I’ve worked in esports for a bit and there’s definitely cheats out there that pros use. When utilised well you won’t even notice when directly spectating or when the player is streaming. They’re designed to help extremely good players just that little bit extra needed to become a top-tier player.
Those “pro-grade” cheats don’t come cheap though. I’ve heard figures in the 400-600/month range multiple times. These would also work on the special tournament clients used by professional players.
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The problem is the arms race escalates forever - cheat developers will just regroup, analyse what the new VAC is doing, and start finding new exploits.
Not saying Valve should just give up; quite the opposite. The war never ends.
wrote last edited by [email protected]For me the anticheat can win. It's just less fighting on the grounds where the cheaters have advantage (their hardware they have full control of), and on the grounds where they can't control instead, by monitoring behaviour. chess.com is a winning example, no anti cheat software required, yet they can catch cheaters who use a different hardware for assistance (play on PC and lookup moves on phone).
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Counter Strike 2 has a massive problem with cheaters because Valve refuse to make VAC operate at the kernel level.
Everyone with eyes knows that it doesnt work anyway
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Counter Strike 2 has a massive problem with cheaters because Valve refuse to make VAC operate at the kernel level.
wrote last edited by [email protected]There is so much wrong with what you said.
First, kernel anticheats absolutely get bypassed. Second, kernel anti cheats are only a Windows things, and potentially not for long. (Not that they couldn't be.) Valve makes games for Windows and Linux.
Ring0 crap, is one of the most insecure and potentially dangerous pieces of code you can willingly install on your machine. You're trusting a company, to have more access to your machine than you do. Software you don't get to see the change log, or know what it's doing. And you're really banking that the people who are writing this code know what they're doing. Any especially now with the influx of AI, You're really hoping that the access you're giving them to your machine wasn't 'vibe coded' (honestly you probably was). And when they mess up, and trust me they will, they wreck havoc on your install. See crowdstrike.
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On top of that, I wouldn't do any of that stuff in real life, let alone in something like GTA.
So you wouldn't do anything in a video game that you wouldn't do in real life?
I think you need to see a therapist if you have that much trouble differentiating fact from fiction
I do, in fact, have the ability to separate art from the artist. GTA, however, has desensitized gang culture and crime for everyone who's played it.
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Doxxing is too far,what is wrong with you.
I don't know, I guess I just think pieces of shit like this deserve to have bad things happen to them since they try to ruin other peoples good time with no consequences. Fuck them. Fuck you too for not agreeing.
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Only 4 ships in his fleet
"Only" 4 megayachts. Its really wierd to me that gaben gets a pass on excessive resource consumption because he's"one of the good ones". People should not be dumping millions of dollars into private toys period. And if they do, one is certainly enough. Was a whole private superyacht not enough to satisfy a man? If not, how is 4 or 5 going to? Does he provide public housing to the poor in those things? Is he planning to invite all the steam gamers and make a floating independent country? Why are so many people like this? Where does the neverending hunger for more come from?
He also now owns a company which makes megayachts.
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… Does anyone still wonder why I boycotted all other gaming platforms other than steam?
what about GOG?
Oh, right, they're cool.
Along with humble bundle. Those guys are cool too.
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I was blissfully unaware, probably because I'm not cheating scum.
Couldn't have happened to a better community of people.
Fuck cheaters.
IMO, cheating is just taking away all the fun of the game. The cheater didn't have to get gud to be able to win, and the victim is denied any recourse or any fun in playing the game. Bluntly, I have absolutely no sympathy at all for these kinds of people. If you suck at the game and need to use cheats to win, maybe don't fucking play it competitively?
There's a reason I've kept my counterstrike antics to private games among friends and local matches against bots. I have no interest in larder boards. I just want to have fun. Dying over and over before you can even do any damage, isn't fun.
If you're a cheater, get wrecked.
Bravo valve. Bravo.
I've only ever run macros for mining in a game I loved that had a terribly dreary, but almost necessary mining mechanic. They banned for macros though, so I stayed alert for approaching mods.
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Only 4 ships in his fleet
"Only" 4 megayachts. Its really wierd to me that gaben gets a pass on excessive resource consumption because he's"one of the good ones". People should not be dumping millions of dollars into private toys period. And if they do, one is certainly enough. Was a whole private superyacht not enough to satisfy a man? If not, how is 4 or 5 going to? Does he provide public housing to the poor in those things? Is he planning to invite all the steam gamers and make a floating independent country? Why are so many people like this? Where does the neverending hunger for more come from?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Well, you know how you get a pack of very good cookies, and think you only going to eat like two or three, but somehow you eat the whole pack anyway? Well, it's like that but with mega yachts. A pack of good cookies is bigger part of my overall budget than a good yacht is a part of Gaben's this month's income. Why wouldn't he get five. And besides, not all of his yachts are super yachts apparently, so it's all good and chill and cool.
Yeah, apparently we do give him a pass because steam is less shitty than it could be. Well, and also because he's not doing anything terrible that we know of, and in this economy I would take non pedo billionaire over all the rest. -
til there's a cheat economy. Had no idea
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I’ve worked in esports for a bit and there’s definitely cheats out there that pros use. When utilised well you won’t even notice when directly spectating or when the player is streaming. They’re designed to help extremely good players just that little bit extra needed to become a top-tier player.
Those “pro-grade” cheats don’t come cheap though. I’ve heard figures in the 400-600/month range multiple times. These would also work on the special tournament clients used by professional players.
Well, we have doping in physical sports...
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GOG is awesome but limited - I can't think of any modern multiplayer game sold on GOG. Lot of great singleplayer ones though.
I assume Steam makes it easier to make multiplayer games then GOG?
