Hamas begins brutal crackdown on Gaza protests with torture, executions
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Hamas has begun cracking down on Gazans who participated in recent protests against the group’s rule, executing six people and publicly beating others, according to Palestinian activists and residents.
ITT: A lot of of leftists seeing evidence that they have supported fascists and having to choose between remaining a leftist or going full tankie.
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Hamas has begun cracking down on Gazans who participated in recent protests against the group’s rule, executing six people and publicly beating others, according to Palestinian activists and residents.
Ynetnews? Totally legit, trustworthy source?
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ITT: A lot of of leftists seeing evidence that they have supported fascists and having to choose between remaining a leftist or going full tankie.
I can hope for peace and still think Hamas are cunts.
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I can hope for peace and still think Hamas are cunts.
We all hope for peace, but some of us understand that Hamas is incompatible with peace.
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ITT: A lot of of leftists seeing evidence that they have supported fascists and having to choose between remaining a leftist or going full tankie.
ikr? Lemmy is full of articles, rightfully, bashing Israel for the shit they do. But the second you criticize HAMAS (Not Palestinians) and suddenly your some ZiOnIsT bOt.
Fucking absurd.
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Ynetnews? Totally legit, trustworthy source?
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I will say that Israel is many times more evil than Hamas.
But Hamas definitely is evil, too.
They torture and kill Palestinians to maintain power. They had even smuggled a Yezidi slave girl into Gaza.
Of course, I do understand that they are resisting oppression. And that is justified. And I also know that a lot of the propaganda against them is false, such as the beheaded babies thing.
But there are enough credible reports of them doing really shady stuff.
That's fine and valid criticism! I am not speaking for all members of hamas, simply stating the obvious. The most hateful ideologies and inexcusable actions likely wouldn't happen if the zionist regime had never been allowed to create the conditions for such hate in the first place.
Zionists openly stated their desire to displace and kill as many native people as necessary to secure their ethnic majority in Israel from its inception. After 40 years of occupation hamas is formed as a radical opposition movement. Their ideology, foundational ethics, and mission was colored entirely by their material reality under a genocidal occupation. I cannot fault them for their methods or rationale under those conditions from my privileged American home.
Unlike zionists, hamas was not formed for the explicit purpose of Jewish extermination but for liberation of the Palestinian people. What they saw as necessary for those goals may or may not be considered acceptable means of resistance to those in the west. It is not our place to morally grandstand about inconsiderate acts committed in resistance to genocide. We would not cast the same aspersions on Nat Turner or John Brown when talking about their fight for liberation even though they explicitly committed unthinkable crimes against the people seeking to benefit from the systems of oppression they were fighting against. We recognize that in the long arc of history that those actions were justified in pursuit of an end to chattel slavery.
What we are encouraged or even mandated by social pressures to decry as evil are actions taken under duress, under occupation, under threat of violent imprisonment with no fair trial even during "peace time." It's not so simple as pointing to individual immoral acts and calling them evil, we have to understand the history and escalations to this point. Israel does not respect diplomacy or international agreements, they only respond to force. I cannot fault the people faced with this reality for playing the hand they were dealt. As I said in my original response: had I grown up in those conditions I cannot deny that I would be compelled to risk my life and do whatever is necessary for a chance to save my country and it's people from extinction.
It was true before October 7th but it is in plain view at this point that peace was never a goal for Israel and genocide is the explicit purpose of this ongoing "war." The media framing of hamas as evil and terrorists only serves to dehumanize all Palestinians. If terrorism is fighting for freedom from oppression then you should be proud to call yourself a terrorist and stand for the rights of all people worldwide. Rebuke those who try to confuse the term and point out the hypocrisy inherent in promoting Israel's right to defend itself while dismissing the opposition to their occupation as evil. It inherently biases the conversation. It taints the discussion by demanding fealty to Israel and their bloodthirsty crusade to claim all of Gaza as their territory. That is unacceptable.
That is all I was trying to get across, not directly at you but the royal you. Everyone is gently coerced into feeling the need to condemn hamas before their statements around Gaza, it's not necessary. Hamas is the result of Israel's inhumane occupation policy and any evil you percieve is a direct consequence of the conditions forced upon them by a belligerent occupier. We all recognize the human toll of their actions, and it is still so insignificant compared to the industrialized oppression of all Palestinians. They are not evil, their conditions are. We condemn the conditions Gaza has been forced to endure for almost 80 years. We do not condemn their actions.
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What's bullshit is that you believe that people capable of the horrific things that happened on October 7 would never ever torture and kill people that threatened their power.
Hamas is a fascist organization, and this is how fascists roll.
Netanyahu put hamas in power. And yes there's been reports from people captured by hamas. They don't paint that picture at all. The only thing that paints that picture is Israeli propaganda. I don't understand why launching missiles, after being under attack for decades, is seen as a horrific act, but bombing and targeting children, as Israel is doing for a year and a half, not once, like hamas did, is somehow not. What you're reading isn't the truth. It's out there of you look. And you don't have to look far to find it, first hand accounts. Doctors in the hospitals there, actual footage. How do you think that made up bullshit, flies at all. Please tell me you accidentally fell down that hole of propaganda, not that you're just a troll for Isreal, because there's lots of them. More on reddit than here. I suppose that was going to change.
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I agree. Almost no one is pro-Hamas. They are definitely evil.
Still, doesn't justify starving kids, bombing kids and withholding medicine which forces doctors to amputate kids without anaesthesia.
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Yes, it involves assumptions.
On the background of Hamas having tortured and killed opponents before, and on the background of demonstrations having occured against them in Gaza at the end of Ramadan, as reported here...
Videos verified by The New York Times showed groups of Gazans in the half-ruined streets in the northern town of Beit Lahiya. Some carried more neutral signs that opposed the continuation of the war, while others chanted slogans calling for Hamas to get out.
...it is not a big assumption that Hamas leaders would ask their security service to find out who organized against them, and kill those persons.
P.S. A secondary and named source has now appeared, and claims to have photos:
Mazen Shat, a senior police officer affiliated with Fatah – the Palestinian nationalist group that lost control of Gaza after a brief war with Hamas in 2007 – told The Telegraph: “Uday was martyred by the criminals of Hamas. And what’s his crime? He told the truth, because he refused to be silent on injustice, because he did not kneel to Hamas.”
Mr Shat said Hamas had tortured the young man for four hours. Images showed open wounds and bruising that left their victim’s body swollen and bloody.
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