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  • T [email protected]

    Biden ran on getting back into the deal with Iran, then insisted that Iran must completely return to fulfilling their side of the deal before we would consider returning to ours.

    Both sides are not the same but Biden shouldn't be let off the hook for his sudden flip on this issue.

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    Both sides are the same because Biden said something that suggested he might be hard on Iran (definitely couldn't be a negotiating tactic)?

    Yes I know how you ended your comment, I was replying to the rest of it.

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      Absolutely, I just don't think it actually helps Democrats in the long run to pave over their often deep flaws. If we were harder on Democrats 30 years ago, we probably wouldn't have Trump today.

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      Nobody is paving over anything, you just cannot help yourself but shit on them theoretical shit that Biden didn't even fucking do yet.

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        Bitch I’ve been voting for a quarter fucking century.

        I protested the fucking Iraq war II and it still fucking happened.

        Keep telling me this bullshit actually works like I’m some fucking eighteen year old.

        Democracy is broken

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        I think some of the people here are literal children... At least I hope so with how naive and clueless about history they are.

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          Both sides are the same because Biden said something that suggested he might be hard on Iran (definitely couldn't be a negotiating tactic)?

          Yes I know how you ended your comment, I was replying to the rest of it.

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          (definitely couldn't be a negotiating tactic)?

          No, it definitely wasn't a "negotiation tactic". It was meant to avoid negotiating without Biden's adoring masses noticing that he did a 180. He caved to AIPAC, as he would continue to do throughout his term.

          Why the hell would Iran go back to fulfilling it's obligations under the agreement when the US was still ignoring it's obligations? Why would it bother negotiating with a country that doesn't honor negotiated agreements? Everyone in the foreign policy space knew exactly what it was.

          Yes I know how you ended your comment,

          Then why the fuck did you haul out "both sides"? Why are so many people desperate to throw everything into that frame?

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            Nobody is paving over anything, you just cannot help yourself but shit on them theoretical shit that Biden didn't even fucking do yet.

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            Biden didn't even fucking do yet.

            Yet? I'm not sure how to argue with someone who thinks Biden is still president. It doesn't seem worthwhile.

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