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To save its democracy and respect the Holocaust, Germany must stop blindly backing Israel

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  • sev@lemmy.caS [email protected]

    Der Tagesspiegel is not a good source for anything remotely based in reality regarding Palestine or Israel. The newspaper is owned by the Holtzbrinck Publishing Group,
    which was founded by an actual nazi (not hyperbole), and it's still run by his sons, who are some of the richest men in the world.

    The editor in chief, Stephan Andreas Cassdorff, has also written articles for partisan pro-israeli organizations which are full throated in their support of the IDF.

    If you can find another source for any of that, please do.

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    I do not agree with your arguments. Georg von Holtzbrinck has been dead for 42 years. And that the editor in chief has written two (!) articles for the Jüdische Allgemeine is also not really something that disqualifies the whole newspaper. So please stop demonizing newspapers which are not 100% supporting your own view.

    And in this case: There is a picture in the article and you really can't argue with that. You can see the banner with "intifada until victory" with the Hamas symbol. That is nothing where the past of the long dead founder of the newspaper has a role.

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      It was really eye opening to look at the German reaction after the Netanyahu visit to Hungary. Scholz was happy that it happened and Baerbock spoke out against Hungary not arresting Netanyahu. Baerbocks Green Party will not be in the next government, but Scholz SPD will and Merz who is the coalition partner of the Scholz SPD has been even more pro Israel.

      German democracy is really dead at this point. They are working hard on bringing in the AFD, with full support of the social democrats and conservatives. The Greens have failed to mount a decent defense and the left has been too divided to do shit.

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      I'd argue that the left was too divided before, but now are surging. Now that BSW has splintered out, Die Linke is ore unified than in decades. And with BSW seemingly shooting itself in the foot by self sabotaging their own state prospects, they have shown they'd rather prioritize being a pro Russia voice in the opposition than a constructive player for the people.

      The BSWs leaving has helped focus the Linkspartei on its socialist, anti fascist core. And the voters seem to recognize it

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        cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/28684388

        In a recent escalation, Berlin authorities ordered the deportation of four pro-Palestine activists – three EU citizens and one American, none of whom were convicted of a crime. Rather, citing Staatsräson, their threatened deportation was for holding anti-Israel views. Although one of these deportations was later deemed invalid by the Berlin Administrative court, the move followed 18 months of cancellations, bans and dismissals of artists, academics and speakers – Palestinians, Jews, Israelis and others – for speaking out against Israel.

        In a cruel historical twist, Germany, the perpetrator of the Holocaust, has enabled what numerous observers, including Amnesty International, have identified as a genocide of Palestinians. Rather than learning a universal historical lesson that applies to all people, Germany chose a particularist interpretation of its history, centered on the state's relation to Israel.

        The recent deportation order suggest a dramatic escalation in the influence of Staatsräson, which now seems to extends beyond foreign policy. For example, one controversial clause in a draft of the coalition agreement leaked last month proposes stripping dual nationals of German citizenship if they are found to be "supporters of terrorism, antisemites or extremists who jeopardize the free democratic order."

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        It's kind of a little bit too late. At this point it's anti-Semitic if you conflate Zionism with Judaism. Germany, the libturd capital of the world, they pretty much dug their own grave, as they literally repeat the same mistakes of the past, but then at the same time, Spider-Man pointing me, the cries over the Holocaust kind of dwindle away, and is no longer seen as something that anybody wants to talk about, considering the world hasn't really improved that much, and there are many Holocaust and genocides that are occurring today with the expectations that many more planned down the pipeline. At the root of capitalism is a fascist. Fascist are the useful idiots of Empire.

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        • samskara@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

          The four people in question were not simply peaceful advocates. They participated in a violent occupation of university offices, destruction of property, breaking open of closets, graffiti. University employees were threatened snd barricaded themselves in their offices.

          State attorneys are prosecuting these crimes against these four. It’s true it hasn’t gone to court yet. All four have formally protested against their deportation and the court has granted them extensions until the verdict.

          https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/regional/berlin/rbb-innenverwaltung-verteidigt-moegliche-ausweisung-von-aktivisten-nach-protest-an-der-fu-berlin-100.html

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          thank you for using that colorful midi icon on your posts samskara. I can find them very easily and downvote before even reading a word. All zionists should use that icon.

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            cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/28684388

            In a recent escalation, Berlin authorities ordered the deportation of four pro-Palestine activists – three EU citizens and one American, none of whom were convicted of a crime. Rather, citing Staatsräson, their threatened deportation was for holding anti-Israel views. Although one of these deportations was later deemed invalid by the Berlin Administrative court, the move followed 18 months of cancellations, bans and dismissals of artists, academics and speakers – Palestinians, Jews, Israelis and others – for speaking out against Israel.

            In a cruel historical twist, Germany, the perpetrator of the Holocaust, has enabled what numerous observers, including Amnesty International, have identified as a genocide of Palestinians. Rather than learning a universal historical lesson that applies to all people, Germany chose a particularist interpretation of its history, centered on the state's relation to Israel.

            The recent deportation order suggest a dramatic escalation in the influence of Staatsräson, which now seems to extends beyond foreign policy. For example, one controversial clause in a draft of the coalition agreement leaked last month proposes stripping dual nationals of German citizenship if they are found to be "supporters of terrorism, antisemites or extremists who jeopardize the free democratic order."

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            Holy fuck why there are so many comments removed?

            Are mods Jews themselves?

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              Holy fuck why there are so many comments removed?

              Are mods Jews themselves?

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              Check out rule #4. The server is based in Germany.

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                Check out rule #4. The server is based in Germany.

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                Oh hell nahhh

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                  Holy fuck why there are so many comments removed?

                  Are mods Jews themselves?

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                  Are mods Jews themselves?

                  If you want to say Zionists then say Zionists, do not legitimise the equivalence of Zionism with being Jewish. There are two kinds of people who do that, Zionists and Nazis, and you don't wanna be either.

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