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UK households could face VPN 'ban' after use skyrockets following Online Safety Bill

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  • jabjoe@feddit.ukJ [email protected]

    Man in the middle can be part of it. It's just basically recording and sending stuff back. Generally I use WireGuard, but on unhygienic networks, were OpenVPN is warning about possible replay attacks, WireGuard doesn't work as well. Could be something else of course, but I've got one end. It's not constant or always.

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    Oh replay attacks, that makes a bit more sense. Honestly I've never been on such a poor network to run into that. I don't know your situation, but I'd be doing anything I could to get away from that ISP if they're actively manipulating your traffic

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      and now you have to pay lost of business taxes even if you don't have any income

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      Unless things have changed massively in the UK in the last 5 years or so, in my actual experience you don't unless you make a profit.

      The yearly baseline costs of opening and operating a Limited company in the UK are pretty low (less than £100 if I remember it correctly).

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        EU is about to do the exact same thing. Norway is the place to be. That's where I went - at least according to my ip address.

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        Norway is part of the Nine Eyes…

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        • S [email protected]

          I have a Digital Ocean droplet in Amsterdam, runs OpenVPN server. $6/mo., no one sees my activity, haven't logged into it in years.

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          Netherlands is part of the Nine eyes. They know exactly what your activities are.

          Whether they choose to chase you down is a different issue.

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          • xthexder@l.sw0.comX [email protected]

            Oh replay attacks, that makes a bit more sense. Honestly I've never been on such a poor network to run into that. I don't know your situation, but I'd be doing anything I could to get away from that ISP if they're actively manipulating your traffic

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            Ah, I see it. Sorry. Corrected.

            It's not really an issue with OpenVPN as it seams to cope. It's the only time I use OpenVPN instead of WireGuard.

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            • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

              If they outlaw VPNs then all internet-connected businesses will flee and everyone will just move to the dark net. Then you’ve got a whole other problem.

              These ancient tyrants are in over their heads.

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              The UK has long championed writing legislative checks that their emaciated state infrastructure can't cash.

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                Prominent backbench MP Sarah Champion launched a campaign against VPNs previously, saying: “My new clause 54 would require the Secretary of State to publish, within six months of the Bill’s passage, a report on the effect of VPN use on Ofcom’s ability to enforce the requirements under clause 112.

                "If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems.” And the Labour Party said there were “gaps” in the bill that needed to be amended.

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                "If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems.”

                When I was a kid, Reddit and general public Internet access weren't things, but I sure managed to get my hands on pornography. I'm pretty confident that even entirely killing Internet access isn't going to stop kids who want to get ahold of porn from getting ahold of it.

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                  Nanny state

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                  You're literally being Jimmy Salvile right now

                  ~ Guy who posed for photo ops with Salvile twenty years ago

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                    It would have been smarter for the UK to mandate that every ISP must provide a family filter for free as part of their service. Something that is optional and can be turned on or off by the account holder but allows parents to set filters (and curfews) if they want. They could even require that ISPs require new signups to affirm if they want it on or off by default so people with families are more likely to start with it enabled.

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                    Crazy because every (isp provided) router I have used has these options. They probably aren't 100% correct all the time, but it would be good enough for children (even though you shouldn't rely soley on filters to replace watching your kid).

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                      Prominent backbench MP Sarah Champion launched a campaign against VPNs previously, saying: “My new clause 54 would require the Secretary of State to publish, within six months of the Bill’s passage, a report on the effect of VPN use on Ofcom’s ability to enforce the requirements under clause 112.

                      "If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems.” And the Labour Party said there were “gaps” in the bill that needed to be amended.

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                      They can come and pry TOR from my cold dead hands lmfao

                      this law can eat shit. i ain't gonna dox myself and feed my personal info to companies. maybe they should take this as a hint that most people care about their privacy

                      if you don't want kids seeing NSFW stuff be an actual parent and don't raise your kids on the internet??

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                      • F [email protected]

                        So now it's not just TERF island but also nazi island.

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                        As a Brit I'm sorry for how embarrassing our country's authorities are becoming

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                          "Safety" meanwhile these same mp's can't budget can't run critical public services like bloody hospitals.

                          But don't worry, your thoughts and activity are policed.

                          Democratic failure to prioritise and run a country at its finest on display for the world to see. The waste is astounding.

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                          it's both hilarious and sad how this is coming from a "please think of the children!!" perspective meanwhile gender affirming care for trans kids got banned pretty recently

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                            Prominent backbench MP Sarah Champion launched a campaign against VPNs previously, saying: “My new clause 54 would require the Secretary of State to publish, within six months of the Bill’s passage, a report on the effect of VPN use on Ofcom’s ability to enforce the requirements under clause 112.

                            "If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems.” And the Labour Party said there were “gaps” in the bill that needed to be amended.

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                            China Laughs Communistically

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                              Prominent backbench MP Sarah Champion launched a campaign against VPNs previously, saying: “My new clause 54 would require the Secretary of State to publish, within six months of the Bill’s passage, a report on the effect of VPN use on Ofcom’s ability to enforce the requirements under clause 112.

                              "If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems.” And the Labour Party said there were “gaps” in the bill that needed to be amended.

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                              This online safety bill is dishonest. This has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with money.

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                              • W [email protected]

                                "Safety" meanwhile these same mp's can't budget can't run critical public services like bloody hospitals.

                                But don't worry, your thoughts and activity are policed.

                                Democratic failure to prioritise and run a country at its finest on display for the world to see. The waste is astounding.

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                                This bill has nothing to do with safety. Safety is just the scapegoat here.

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                                • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                  Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

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                                  those two people who downvoted you can go eat a big bag of dicks.

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                                  • W [email protected]

                                    wireguard is not undetectable, even wireshark has a simple way to identify it, but there are more accurate ways

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                                    Wouldn't it be detected via initial connection only? WG does not send packets while connected, does it?

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                                    • frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.worldF [email protected]

                                      As a Brit I'm sorry for how embarrassing our country's authorities are becoming

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                                      As an American, can we trade governments?

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                                      • jabjoe@feddit.ukJ [email protected]

                                        To be honest, I've found WireGuard's performance is harmed more by replay attacks than OpenVPN. Least that is what I put it down to when I tried them both from a VPN provider that offered both.

                                        Edit: missed the a in replay.

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                                        How is WG vulnerable to replay attacks? They already address that in their documentation.

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                                          If they do outlaw it will likely be banned solely for non-business use for this reason alone.

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                                          If only I could start my own business….

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