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UK households could face VPN 'ban' after use skyrockets following Online Safety Bill

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  • F [email protected]

    So now it's not just TERF island but also nazi island.

    frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.worldF This user is from outside of this forum
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    As a Brit I'm sorry for how embarrassing our country's authorities are becoming

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    • W [email protected]

      "Safety" meanwhile these same mp's can't budget can't run critical public services like bloody hospitals.

      But don't worry, your thoughts and activity are policed.

      Democratic failure to prioritise and run a country at its finest on display for the world to see. The waste is astounding.

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      it's both hilarious and sad how this is coming from a "please think of the children!!" perspective meanwhile gender affirming care for trans kids got banned pretty recently

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        Prominent backbench MP Sarah Champion launched a campaign against VPNs previously, saying: “My new clause 54 would require the Secretary of State to publish, within six months of the Bill’s passage, a report on the effect of VPN use on Ofcom’s ability to enforce the requirements under clause 112.

        "If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems.” And the Labour Party said there were “gaps” in the bill that needed to be amended.

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        China Laughs Communistically

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          Prominent backbench MP Sarah Champion launched a campaign against VPNs previously, saying: “My new clause 54 would require the Secretary of State to publish, within six months of the Bill’s passage, a report on the effect of VPN use on Ofcom’s ability to enforce the requirements under clause 112.

          "If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems.” And the Labour Party said there were “gaps” in the bill that needed to be amended.

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          This online safety bill is dishonest. This has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with money.

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          • W [email protected]

            "Safety" meanwhile these same mp's can't budget can't run critical public services like bloody hospitals.

            But don't worry, your thoughts and activity are policed.

            Democratic failure to prioritise and run a country at its finest on display for the world to see. The waste is astounding.

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            This bill has nothing to do with safety. Safety is just the scapegoat here.

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            • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

              Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

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              those two people who downvoted you can go eat a big bag of dicks.

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              • W [email protected]

                wireguard is not undetectable, even wireshark has a simple way to identify it, but there are more accurate ways

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                Wouldn't it be detected via initial connection only? WG does not send packets while connected, does it?

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                • frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.worldF [email protected]

                  As a Brit I'm sorry for how embarrassing our country's authorities are becoming

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                  As an American, can we trade governments?

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                  • jabjoe@feddit.ukJ [email protected]

                    To be honest, I've found WireGuard's performance is harmed more by replay attacks than OpenVPN. Least that is what I put it down to when I tried them both from a VPN provider that offered both.

                    Edit: missed the a in replay.

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                    How is WG vulnerable to replay attacks? They already address that in their documentation.

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                    • L [email protected]

                      If they do outlaw it will likely be banned solely for non-business use for this reason alone.

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                      If only I could start my own business….

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                      • L [email protected]

                        What about all the people blocked from air travel due to low Social Credit? Are you saying that never happened?

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                        People can be banned from airlines but they get banned for the same reasons they do in the US, like getting drunk on the plane and punching someone. Or like how the US bans people who owe child support from getting a passport, judges in China are allowed to ban people with unpaid child support or big enough unpaid fines from state owned airlines until they pay.

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                        • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

                          If they outlaw VPNs then all internet-connected businesses will flee and everyone will just move to the dark net. Then you’ve got a whole other problem.

                          These ancient tyrants are in over their heads.

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                          Honest question but what makes you think that would happen? Do most businesses use VPNs?

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                            Honest question but what makes you think that would happen? Do most businesses use VPNs?

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                            I work in consulting. I have a VPN for my company and also for each client

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                            • M [email protected]

                              It would have been my go to. But they can detect openvpn and other protocols. I would just use a ssh tunnel with squid proxy. The squid wont cache ssh traffic unless you run your own cert and set up the squid that way. It will however seamlessly allow you to connect through a ssh tunnel with one port forward.

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                              I've certainly happily used SSH tunnels --- on Linux it's great in that it's readily available wherever you already have OpenSSH installed --- but one downside of OpenSSH as a general-purpose tool for tunneling is that it is intrinsically TCP and thus forces packet ordering across multiple tunneled connections, which may not be necessary for whatever you're doing and can have performance impact. Part of the reason mosh exists is to deal with that (not for the SSH-as-a-tunneling-protocol case, but rather for the "SSH-as-a-remote-shell" case).

                              Wireguard is UDP, and OpenVPN can use either TCP or UDP, depending upon how it's configured.

                              If we were going to move the world to a single "tunneling" protocol, SSH wouldn't be my first choice, even though it's awfully handy as a quick-and-dirty way to tunnel data.

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                                Honest question but what makes you think that would happen? Do most businesses use VPNs?

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                                I have never worked for a company that didn't utilize VPNs.

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                                • P [email protected]

                                  Honest question but what makes you think that would happen? Do most businesses use VPNs?

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                                  Damn near every business uses VPN technology. They literally cannot exist in the modern world without it. It would be incredibly expensive and impractical to do without.

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                                  • tal@lemmy.todayT [email protected]

                                    I've certainly happily used SSH tunnels --- on Linux it's great in that it's readily available wherever you already have OpenSSH installed --- but one downside of OpenSSH as a general-purpose tool for tunneling is that it is intrinsically TCP and thus forces packet ordering across multiple tunneled connections, which may not be necessary for whatever you're doing and can have performance impact. Part of the reason mosh exists is to deal with that (not for the SSH-as-a-tunneling-protocol case, but rather for the "SSH-as-a-remote-shell" case).

                                    Wireguard is UDP, and OpenVPN can use either TCP or UDP, depending upon how it's configured.

                                    If we were going to move the world to a single "tunneling" protocol, SSH wouldn't be my first choice, even though it's awfully handy as a quick-and-dirty way to tunnel data.

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                                    I used putty for tunnels on windows machines. As for mosh I forgot it exist. I use wireguard now. But if they ban VPN it will be harder for them to prove the SSH is being used for the purpose evading their stupid law. The high bandwidth usage could be a lot of things... right?

                                    While in the hospital ten years ago I did get a visit from the IT dept. They didn't have any qos on ssh and I was moving a lot of data through it. They just asked me to limit my high usage to late night.

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                                      Prominent backbench MP Sarah Champion launched a campaign against VPNs previously, saying: “My new clause 54 would require the Secretary of State to publish, within six months of the Bill’s passage, a report on the effect of VPN use on Ofcom’s ability to enforce the requirements under clause 112.

                                      "If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems.” And the Labour Party said there were “gaps” in the bill that needed to be amended.

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                                      Someone should start a bussiness near the border of Republic of Ireland and get two antennas pointed at each other across the border, with the RoI side having connected to the free internet, then the UK Northern Ireland side connected to the Intra-net. You pay a "Club Membership Fee" to get access to the proxy network.

                                      Its not a VPN, its a Nerd Techie Club, just with a free proxy service as part of the club membership 😉

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                                        Honest question but what makes you think that would happen? Do most businesses use VPNs?

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                                        I have no less than 7 VPNs installed on my work laptop, and I work for one single company.

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                                          I used putty for tunnels on windows machines. As for mosh I forgot it exist. I use wireguard now. But if they ban VPN it will be harder for them to prove the SSH is being used for the purpose evading their stupid law. The high bandwidth usage could be a lot of things... right?

                                          While in the hospital ten years ago I did get a visit from the IT dept. They didn't have any qos on ssh and I was moving a lot of data through it. They just asked me to limit my high usage to late night.

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                                          I used putty for tunnels on windows machines.

                                          Fair enough, and come to think of it, I think I have too. Just was pointing out that not all SSH implementations have tunnelling functionality.

                                          But if they ban VPN it will be harder for them to prove the SSH is being used for the purpose evading their stupid law.

                                          Yeah, that's true.

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